29-07-2020, 05:03 PM
(19-04-2020, 11:00 PM)Aga Tentakulus wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I can imagine that in the Ottoman there are also the dialects, and some with the Persian and Arabic is similar.
Mentally I find myself when I think about the VM in the year 1400 in the Ottoman Empire. Writing is in Arabic style, from right to left. Before the Arabic culture the East Roman Empire was present and not the Arabic one. Here we already have a written, linguistic problem.
Why should someone suddenly write from left to right, and in Arabic, when the previous one was written in left to right in ancient Greek ?
( Why left to right in Arabic, Ottoman ? ) Because it was a traveller ?
Apart from that, there is not a single reference in the VM to Ottoman culture. Even in the style of drawing there is nothing that could point to it.
It can't be a normal writing, the Arabs and Ottomans have written no less than the Europeans. So the alphabet and the language should be known. With an encoding the same rules apply as with any other language, apart from the fact that he does it from left to right.
An encryption system assumes that the person or persons can read it again after 1-2 years.
I took another look at the works. My result, nice but wrong.
I wrote something like this over a year ago. But nothing has changed.
By the way, it was no joke with the personal translator. My wife studied art and music at Taxim University (Istanbul) and my daughter went to school there for 5 years. But now they are back.
Hi Tentakulus,
This (Arabic alphabet issue) is an unscientific generalization only. During the Ottoman period, Turks did not only use the Arabic alphabet, but 'mostly' used the Arabic alphabet.
Learning Arabic alphabet is very difficult. The sound values of Arabic alphabet is not provide (or fit) a complete overlap in order to express the sound values of the Turkish language. Because of all these problems, some of the people under Ottoman rule was used different alphabets and never learned the Arabic alphabet.
The Old-Kıpçak-Turkish textbook named "Codex Cumanicus" was written in Latin Alphabet.
The "Venetian doges of Candia" Manuscript, and “De Turcarum Moribus” Manuscript contains many Turkish words. All of these words was written in Latin alphabet in this two manuscript too.
The book called "Turkish Writing Revolution" (written by the researcher writer historian, Mr. Bilal Şimşir), presented various documents and showed that Latin alphabet was used among the people during the Ottoman period (with proven examples).
It is no any scientific result to say that "the Ottoman people used only the Arabic alphabet". In fact, it is known that the people used various alphabets in the Ottoman Empire.
[SOURCE 1: Britannica Ansiklopedisi, "Codex Cumanicus - Turkish Textbook" which is the record of Kipchak Turkish from late 13th-century dictionary of words in Kipchak Latin language, <https://www.britannica.com/topic/Codex-Cumanicus>]
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[SOURCE 2: Kitap Adı; Türk Yazı Devrimi > Yazar: Bilal N. Şimşir > Yayıncı: Türk Tarih Kurumu Yayınları > Ankara, 2008]
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[SOURCE 3: Dinçer Fehmi, (2009), 1553 tarihli Latin harfli ilk Türkçe metin 16.yüzyılda yazıldı, Milliyet, 29 Temmuz 2009 . <http://blog.milliyet.com.tr/1553-tarihli-latinharfli-ilk-turkce-metin/Blog/?BlogNo=193012>]
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[SOURCE 4| Fehmi Dinçer’in araştırmasında bahsettiği Türkçe içeriği de olan ve Latin alfabesi ile yazılmış ve 1553 yılında yayınlanmış olan Türklerin Hırvat asıllı esiri Georgievits’in “De Turcarum Moribus” adlı eserinin sayfa görselleri için bakınız;
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OTHER SOURCES:
[Kaynak: Dinçer Fehmi, <https://www.academia.edu/9548404/Fehmi_Din%C3%A7er_-_1584_y%C4%B1l%C4%B1nda_yaz%C4%B1lm%C4%B1%C5%9F_Gennadius_Scholarius_%C4%B0tikatnamesi>]
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[Martinus Crusius, “Turcograeciae libri octo, Basileae” / yıl 1584 / sayfa 107’den 119’a kadar olan bölümde]
[Bu el yazmasının sayfalarını görebilmek için bakılması gereken kaynak: Yale University Beinecke Rare Book & Manuscript Library / <https://brbl-dl.library.yale.edu/vufind/Record/4161309>]
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[Bu el yazmasının You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. ve 88r sayfalarında 1374 ve 1383 sayıları gösterilmiştir. Görselleri görebilmek için bakılması gereken kaynak: Yale University Beinecke Rare Book & Manuscript Library / <https://brbl-dl.library.yale.edu/vufind/Record/4161309>]
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[Mehmet Turgay Kürüm tarafından yazılan makale bu kaynakta görülebilir > Kitabın künyesi: Kıbrıs'ta Osmanlı Öncesi Türkler 1. Uluslararası Sempozyumu, Bildiriler Tam Metin kitabı.Yayınevi, Hiperyayın 2020 İstanbul ISBN 978-605-281-718-6]
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Thanks,
Ahmet Ardıç
ATA Team Alberta

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