10-04-2019, 01:03 AM
(09-04-2019, 07:16 PM)Koen G wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(09-04-2019, 04:30 PM)geoffreycaveney wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.P.S.: Koen, I do hope that you will be so kind as to read and comment on the set of six plant root and leaf category labels on You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. and You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. that I interpreted in my post the other day, as you had asked me to attempt to do with my method. I do understand that it may take some time for you to do so. Thank you.
Right, I missed this among other posts.
Hmm well, your results are somewhat weird, but that may not be your fault, maybe the manuscript is weird.
It's just not as illuminating as I would have hoped it would be. I still remain with the impression that your method allows you to reach a lot of results from any given string of Voynichese
Like, if two people used your system on any given paragraph from quire 20, would they reach similar results, or widely different subjects?
Here is a good test to answer your question: Have a different person who also knows enough Greek grammar (ancient and modern) tackle the first two lines of the final paragraph on page You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (the final paragraph is only the final five lines of text). See if they can use my same system to come up with any alternate reading and interpretation, significantly different from my reading and interpretation, with internally coherent semantics as plausible as my interpretation (albeit different), and above all with Greek phonology, morphology, syntax, and all grammatical characteristics as good as my interpretation.
I caution any takers of this challenge in advance: In general, it takes me about 8-10 hours of concentrated effort to read and interpret one line of Voynich MS text with my system. And I am the one who worked out the system, so naturally at this stage right now I know it better than anyone else does. So one can expect that it will take another person at least 20 hours to complete this task, and possibly 40-50 hours or more, of concentrated effort.
(In case anyone is curious: at this rate, working 8-10 hours every day, 5 days a week, I estimate that it would take me about 20 years of concentrated effort to read and interpret the entire Voynich MS text using my method at the pace that I am able to do so currently.)
Since I just provided a summary of the "3 vowel representation principles" (or the 3 (overlapping) vowel categories) of my system in my latest reply to Rene, and I have frequently in this thread described the 6 phonological categories of consonant phonemes distinguished by distinct sets of Voynich characters in the MS text according to my system, it may be useful here to summarize all 9 categories together, in brief. Basically, this will serve as an organized summary description of the same information contained in my letter correspondence table. Here are the 9 categories:
1) front vowel characters: [ch], [e], or (i) can represent /i/ or sometimes /e/
2) low/mid vowel characters: [a] or [o] can represent /a/, often /o/, or sometimes /e/
3) rounded vowel character: [d] can represent /u/ or occasionally /o/ [Note: [d] can also be used as a consonant; see below]
[Caution: since Greek upsilon is spelled as a "u" but pronounced as an "i" in medieval Greek when used by itself, it may be represented by either a "front vowel character" or a "rounded vowel character"]
4) liquid consonant character: [r] can represent /r/ or /l/
5) nasal consonant characters: [l], final [(i)in], or [sh] with a closed loop on top, can represent /m/ or /n/
6) sibilant consonant characters: [y], [m], or [g] can represent /s/ or /z/ [Note: at the end of a word, such a character may often represent the entire suffix "vowel+/s/"]
7) labial consonant characters: [d], [p], or [f] can represent /p/, /f/ ("ph"), /b/, or /v/
8) dental consonant characters: [k], [s], or [sh] with an open loop on top, can represent /t/, /th/, or /d/ (pronounced in post-classical Greek as "dh" or voiced "th", as in English "the")
9) guttural consonant characters: [t] or [q] can represent /k/, /x/ ("kh" or "ch"), or /g/
[Note: post-classical Greek gamma is a special case since it can be pronounced as a /y/ glide, in which case it may fall under vowel category (1) above]
Geoffrey

