geoffreycaveney's Judaeo-Greek theory
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(24-03-2019, 11:54 AM)geoffreycaveney wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.It is just like Koen said in another thread: "One of the very few ways I can imagine the VM text containing meaning is if a language were somehow made phonetically poorer, the phoneme inventory flattened. Similar sounds merged."

Is that, because it would have been a sensible thing to do in the early 15th Century, or is it, because it is a practical way of making more sense out of the MS text?

Another comment, though this is nothing I would apply too strictly.

I have seen quite a few tentative translations of the first line of the MS now.

How nice would it have been if any of these were something like this:

"here begins the book of..."

or just:

"book of ..."

Unfortunately, every single one, and this includes the present proposal, is something that seems like the middle of some dialogue.

I agree.

Another interesting aspect is how word endings are treated. Greek, being highly inflected, conveys most of the grammatical information in suffixes. Ignoring grammar is of course a key feature of the four-steps. Grammar is typically hand-waved away by some reference to generic lost languages or undocumented writing styles.

Quote:my reading:
"... monus
tors  thAl  Ars "

interpretation:
" ... monos
thors[os]  thel[ei]  eros "

Note: It is clear that in general, Greek final vowels are routinely not represented in this script. This is in keeping with the Judaeo-Greek interpretation of the script as akin to the Hebrew script with no vowel diacritic dots written.

translation:
"... a solitary
thursos wants love "

Here, the first suffix is altered, the second and third are added from scratch (consonant included). Not being familiar with Greek I am not sure, but the accusative of eros appears to be ἔρωτᾰ: the fourth suffix, also altered by adding an arbitrary 'o', could be just wrong. None of the four original suffixes was kept, and the sentence could still be grammatically wrong.

Also, treating all vowels as wildcards, opens a number of possibilities. If you don't like ἔρως, you can choose one of the following (and many other options, I am sure):
ὥρας
Ἆρες
Ἄρης
Ἶρις
ὄρος
ἀρὰς
αὔρας
ἔαρος
εἴρας
εὖρος
ἱερᾶς
εὐρὺς
Ἄϊρος
ἄορας
οὖρος
οὐρᾶς
Ἥρας
ἄρας
ἑώρας
ἀέρος
Ὁρᾷς
ἥρως
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RE: geoffreycaveney's Judaeo-Greek theory - by MarcoP - 25-03-2019, 10:50 AM
RE: Successful translation ? - by geoffreycaveney - 25-03-2019, 03:51 PM

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