Most certain plant ID's?

[Linda]

Linda: My pet id for f2r is creeping thistle, Cirsium arvense, because of the how the roots are drawn.

Cirsium arvense has distinctly pinnatisect and spiny leaves. Plant You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. has lanceolate leaves, so the leaves are not a good match for Cirsium arvense.

Centaurea cyanus, Centaurea montana, Centaurea glastifolia, Centaurea nigra, Centaurea pterocaula, Cyanus cheiranthifolius, and Centaurea jacea (the knapweeds) have lanceolate leaves, and when you flatten the plant, they overlap, like the VMS pic.

I hadn't thought about overlapping. It is drawn as though they are fingers of a hand, i thought it might mean don't touch, re the spines. Also the spiny leaves seem to resemble the cluster somewhat. But i'll concede to knapweed of some sort.

agreed for 100% about "creeping thistle"...thanks for your post,you made me stright away translate f2r)).The page said"Men or woman was bitten by scorpion and that person was in pain.The holly doctor at first tried to investigate what kinda scorpiona that was and asked patient before do something.As we know "creeping thistle"works much better then morphine as pain killer and the bitten person after pains was gone gave some answers.He(she) remember when after bite catched an animal and holded for a while.Also after killed that scorpion was afraid from the death.Doctor "shushed" the patient and gave something else to cure him(her) and told while laughing "now you know how to deal with that,now you see the light of my knowledge"

Interesting. 

I took another look at the leaves drawn and the green paint ends just before the tips, which made me think it was suggesting spines in an abstract sort of way. As if to say there are leaves with multiple points on them.

Have you translated any parts of quire 13?