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f81r parallel Posted by: Koen G - 26-07-2018, 10:13 PM - Forum: Imagery - Replies (15) When I saw the image below it gave me an immediate sense of recognition. Architecturally it strongly resembles You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. and there is also some resemblance to the kind of patterns on the "tubs" or "barrels". The scene in question is a baptism, though this sacrament appears to be absent from Q13. A quick look at the wiki for You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. reveals that several types of earlier structures were repurposed for baptisms. So I don't know whether this bassin was specifically constructed for baptizing or if it used to be, for example, a bath house. Any thoughts?       The Origin of [sh] Posted by: Emma May Smith - 24-07-2018, 09:59 PM - Forum: Analysis of the text - Replies (35) I want to offer an hypothesis concerning the origin of Sh. It's not strictly an explanation but a possible insight. I'm not sure it's true so I would like the opinions of others. I guess we all agree that the lower part of Sh is the same as ch? And that the only difference is the 'plume', 'hat', topstroke, whatever you want to call it? I think that when writing Sh the scribe wrote ch first and added the topstroke last. Would others agree? If so, how long after the ch was the topstroke written? Can we show that it was written immediately after or that (at least in some cases) other glyphs were written between the ch and the addition of the topstroke? Would the lightness/darkness of the topstroke provide evidence? Although I'm very uncertain about this hypothesis, I think it could serve to make an important point: whether ch and Sh are different glyphs, or the same glyph with different environments. The topstroke could be indicating that a later glyph/sound/part was omitted or altered.   f22r - awkward shading? Posted by: Koen G - 24-07-2018, 08:42 AM - Forum: Imagery - No Replies I came across a 14th century You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. of Noah in the vineyard from the You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. in Kosovo. The frescoes are called a fine example of Byzantine renaissance style. The way the stem of the plant is drawn reminds me of the style of a herbal manuscript we discussed a while back, but I'm unable to remember which one at the moment. Anyway, that's not the point. What drew my attention was the way the grapes are drawn. In the thumbnail it looked like Noah was handling strange, otherworldly "pods" filled with some kind of bubbles.      Here's a full size detail so you can see what's going on, next to the "pods" from You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. .      It appears like the fresco uses an unusual form of shading, dividing the grape bunches in half and coloring only one side. Based on this evidence, I would suggest the possibility that the VM in fact uses precisely the same style of "shading", but because of the atrocious quality of the paint job we are unable to recognize it as such.   70r1 Pattern Posted by: VViews - 23-07-2018, 07:59 PM - Forum: Imagery - Replies (9) Hi everyone, I just can't find a good parallel for the "nebuly" pattern on the outer circle of f70r1. I figured I'd start a thread here to see if anyone has any such examples. It's not really a cloudband/nebuly/wolkenband. It is like a regular circle with nine double scalloped protrusions. Even if I ignore the nine, I can't find examples of lines that do this, alternating between flat and scalloped, let alone double scallops. I think these patterns are unusual enough that identifying a match might give very interesting information about culture and background of the illustrator. Here's the You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. figure as a whole: And the pattern with blue paint removed, not just because I'm a Voynich colors revisionist, but mostly to make the pattern stand out better: I'd be really interested in any parallels others may have found for this pattern, obviously even more so if it's in a roundel! Any ideas?   Who sold the Voynich MS to Rudolf Posted by: ReneZ - 19-07-2018, 03:52 PM - Forum: Provenance & history - Replies (20) The quick answer is: I don't know, but Koen correctly pointed out: Quote: Quote:I have a theory about who sold the MS to Rudolf. Hey, as the Dutch saying goes, "who says A, must say B" I mentioned a name in my 2012 presentation in Villa Mondragone. This is the Augsburg physician, paracelsan and manuscript collector Karl Widemann. His name is also spelled in different ways. He is still my best candidate, but the more interesting question is: what is the likelihood that he is indeed the man. And this is where it gets difficult. What is certainly true is that in 1599 Rudolf asked a commission from one of his main financial advisers You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.. (He did that quite frequently). In this case it was to acquire a set of books from Karl Widemann, for 500 Taler. Geizkofler was supported somehow by Matthias Peugl, and one or the other described the books as 'selzam', which I tentatively translate as 'unusual'. The books were sent to Hans Popp, one of Rudolf's 'Kammerdiener' in Prague. On a side note, around 1586-1587 Widemann was in Prague working for Rudolf and in Trebon working for Vilem  Rosenberg. He also knew, or even worked together with Edward Kelly. The "theory" part of this is that these books are the Voynich MS, still in several parts, or the MS was one of them. At least one book that Widemann sold to Rudolf (then or at some other time) has been preserved and is now in Leiden: Voss.Chym. Q56 , and that can hardly be qualified as 'unusual'. Anyway, several sources are still to be followed up, and it isn't going very fast   Folio numbers Posted by: nablator - 18-07-2018, 04:27 PM - Forum: Physical material - Replies (9) I thought it would be useful to have a conversion table here between the sequential images numbers on the Beinecke website You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. and the usual folio numbers. Maybe on the folio browser too. Looking at the combo box now, it seems some numbers are off. (?) 1   [Front cover] 2   [Inside front cover] 3   1r 4   1v 5   2r 6   2v 7   3r 8   3v 9   4r 10  4v 11  5r 12  5v 13  6r 14  6v 15  7r 16  7v 17  8r 18  8v 19  9r 20  9v 21  10r 22  10v 23  11r 24  11v 25  13r 26  13v 27  14r 28  14v 29  15r 30  15v 31  16r 32  16v 33  17r 34  17v 35  18r 36  18v 37  19r 38  19v 39  20r 40  20v 41  21r 42  21v 43  22r 44  22v 45  23r 46  23v 47  24r 48  24v 49  25r 50  25v 51  26r 52  26v 53  27r 54  27v 55  28r 56  28v 57  29r 58  29v 59  30r 60  30v 61  31r 62  31v 63  32r 64  32v 65  33r 66  33v 67  34r 68  34v 69  35r 70  35v 71  36r 72  36v 73  37r 74  37v 75  38r 76  38v 77  39r 78  39v 79  40r 80  40v 81  41r 82  41v 83  42r 84  42v 85  43r 86  43v 87  44r 88  44v 89  45r 90  45v 91  46r 92  46v 93  47r 94  47v 95  48r 96  48v 97  49r 98  49v 99  50r 100 50v 101 51r 102 51v 103 52r 104 52v 105 53r 106 53v 107 54r 108 54v 109 55r 110 55v 111 56r 112 56v 113 57r 114 57v 115 58r 116 58v 117 65r 118 65v 119 66r 120 66v 121 67r1 121 67r2 122 67v2 122 67v1 123 68r1 123 68r2 123 68r3 124 68v3 124 68v2 124 68v1 125 69r 126 69v 126 70r1 126 70r2 127 70v2 128 70v1 129 71r 130 71v 130 72r1 130 72r2 130 72r3 131 72v3 131 72v2 132 72v1 133 73r 134 73v 135 75r 136 75v 137 76r 138 76v 139 77r 140 77v 141 78r 142 78v 143 79r 144 79v 145 80r 146 80v 147 81r 148 81v 149 82r 150 82v 151 83r 152 83v 153 84r 154 84v 155 85r1 156 85r2 156 86v4 156 86v6 157 86v5 157 86v3 158 Rosettes foldout 159 87r 160 87v 161 88r 162 88v 162 89r1 162 89r2 163 89v2 164 89v1 164 90r1 164 90r2 165 90v2 166 90v1 167 93r 168 93v 169 94r 170 94v 170 95r1 170 95r2 171 95v2 172 95v1 173 96r 174 96v 175 99r 176 99v 177 100r 178 100v 178 101r1 178 101r2 179 101v2 180 101v1 180 102r1 180 102r2 181 102v2 182 102v1 183 103r 184 103v 185 104r 186 104v 187 105r 188 105v 189 106r 190 106v 191 107r 192 107v 193 108r 194 108v 195 111r 196 111v 197 112r 198 112v 199 113r 200 113v 201 114r 202 114v 203 115r 204 115v 205 116r 206 116v 207 [Back flyleaf recto] 208 [Back flyleaf verso-inside back cover] 209 [Head] 210 [Tail] 211 [Fore-edge] 212 [Spine] 213 [Back cover]   Is this a humanoid? Posted by: davidjackson - 16-07-2018, 10:29 PM - Forum: Imagery - Replies (5) This is something I discussed many, many years ago. Nobody came up with a conclusive answer. So here it is again : is this a humanoid face in the bottom right of the rosettes?   Information about Voynich Author Posted by: Emma May Smith - 15-07-2018, 09:26 PM - Forum: Provenance & history - Replies (5) How likely is it that we will be able to learn more about the author of the Voynich Manuscript? On the assumption that, once we can read the Voynich Manuscript, the following are true: 1) we identify a named author; 2) he was European; 3) lived some time between 1400 and 1450; 4) had at least a moderate education and income; and 5) is not otherwise known to history. I know that for England (for example; I do not believe the author was English) there are likely to be other documents of the period which identify clerks by name, either contracts, legal documents, accounts, and so on. But what if the author was Italian, German, Polish, Czech, or other? Will we be left with a name only or is there likely more that we can discover?   Women scribes Posted by: ReneZ - 12-07-2018, 09:10 PM - Forum: News - Replies (8) I guess I am not the only one who has seen this: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.   Stop being analitical! Posted by: davidjackson - 08-07-2018, 10:25 PM - Forum: Voynich Talk - Replies (40) The following is from an email I wrote back in 2015: Quote: I'm starting to realise that any eventual "solution" of this book is likely to be philosophical, not analytical.  I've argued in the past that the transcriptions are worthless for the sort of mathematical decryption being looked at by the uninformed net. But without them, we're lost, so it's a catch 22 problem. What comes out is only as good as what went in.... The basic problem, as I see it, is that we are too analytical. We are used to reading that everything can be broken down to quantifiable molecules and processed via mathematical models to produce an answer. The Voynich is becoming the exception that proves that rule!  But it's not an alien object - we do have access to the mentality of the era that produced it. We just have to "unlearn" our modern preconceptions. There are clues in the imagery that show a certain mentality, but they're not obvious until you start learning about late medieval / early Renaissance mentality and knowledge. Hence the constant "wild theories" when people try to project their own preconceptions onto the book. Notwithstanding that, a re-examination of the core concepts, bearing in mind the historic epistemology, is, I hope,  capable of producing some interesting new nuggets of information. It strikes me that it's as true as ever.and in fact  the last few 'theories' are doing this  They're abandoning the analytical to try to translate what 'feels right'. So, how do we strike a middle path and translate this document?  If we assume this is a late middle ages Latin document with lots of shorthand, what's the next step? First Previous Next Last