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| Sequential word repetitions in the VMS |
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Posted by: Anton - 15-08-2015, 11:19 PM - Forum: Analysis of the text
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Is there any work or resource where all sequential word repetitions in the VMS are listed? I mean not the "Timm's pairs" or "Jackson sequences" but exact repetitions, like
It occurred to me that these repetitions may be not as strange as they seem if "spaces" in the VMS are not real spaces and the text is to be read sequentially. Thus Voynichese "words" may be identical parts (or encoded parts) of plain text words.
In that case, three repetitions in a row are not weird. For a ready example, consider German "pur Purpur" (which means "pure purple").
Even four repetitions in a row are quite fine. Consider the following example:
"<blah blah> Purpur. Purpur <blah blah>"
Here "Purpur" is the last word of the first sentence and, at the same time, the first word of the second sentence. Because there is no punctuation in a XV century (or earlier) document, "pur" would appear four times in a row.
Let's develop this example further as follows:
"<This colour is called> Purpur. Pur Purpur <is difficult to obtain>"
Here we have "pur" five times in a row. Six times in a row is not difficult:
"<You should use only> pur Purpur. Pur Purpur <is very expensive>"
We can imagine even seven times in a row, if we append some word that begins with "pur", like "purren" or "purzeln".
This is just an example. Probably such examples can be constructed in many languages. This could explain repetitions both in plain text and in cipher, without involving any shuffling.
What do you think? Was this ever considered in this light?
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| Bibliography - history of Voynich studies |
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Posted by: Diane - 13-08-2015, 11:44 AM - Forum: News
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An article written in 1937, mentioned with a question mark in Jim Reed's Voynich bibliography, has been sent to me by someone who must have the last copy in the world. The journal went out of publication decades ago.
I've put up an open-access post on voynichimagery.wordpress.com (August 13th., 2015).
The article is largely gained from reading "The cipher of Roger Bacon" - the collected papers of William Romaine Newbold - but it's easier to read than that, and shorter, though mainly it will appeal to those who like to have full collections of things.
Anyone wanting a copy - email me at the address published on my blog. I'm happy to send it.
Diane
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| Star Catalogues |
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Posted by: Diane - 29-07-2015, 12:46 PM - Forum: Astronomy
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One of the interesting leads which I simply have no time to follow up - I'd be glad if anyone would like to work on it with me.
I noticed that in al-Sufi's Book of the Fixed Stars, his table for Sagittarius has 31 stars.
The figure on folio 73v, with the archer in the centre, contains only 30 stars-and-holders.
Which suggests (among other possibilities) that (a) the central figure may be identified with the leading star of a constellation (i.e. first over the horizon),
or that - as many others have suggested - we are looking at some version of the Egyptian-Indian decans.
I'm more interested in the first possibility and would dearly like to know if there is any pre-fifteenth century astronomical text (from any tradition) in which the star-list for Sagittarius contains only 30 stars.
Ditto, of course, for all the rest, but Sagittarius interests me most just now.
It's a pest that I simply haven't time to concentrate on this at the moment; it could, potentially direct us to an informing written text.. maybe.
D
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| The Phaseis of Ptolemy and f86v3 |
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Posted by: david - 18-07-2015, 03:48 PM - Forum: Astrology
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I have for a number of years thought that representations of the classic Greek winds can be found in the Voynich. And I recently came across a new wind which bought new lights on You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view., a folio with text and four pillars, one in each corner, two nymphs clinging to two of the tower and a bird that appears twice, once seated and once flying.
Note: I think English terms in the following are correct, I am translating them from a mixture of Catalan and Spanish documents, which in term translate Arabic and ancient Greek terms, so it's a bit of a pot-pourri! I am unable to type the original Greek terms into here, I suppose it doesn't matter too much.
The source manuscript in question is the Phaseis of Claudius Ptolemy. A ‘parapegma’ is precursor to the modern day almanac. Originally it was a table that related star phases and corresponding weather predictions. Ptolemy believed that the astronomical phenomena caused the changes in seasonal weather; his explanation of why there was not an exact correlation of these events was that the physical influences of other heavenly bodies also came into play. Hence for him, weather prediction was a special division of astrology, and his philosophy filtered through into mainstream Arabic astrology in around the IX century under a translation known as the Kit'ab al-Anw'a, originally translated by Sin'an b.T'abit (b. 943). The Kit'ab formed the basis for many Arabian almanacs for the next few centuries.
Only the second tome of the Phaseis is preserved from the Greek. However, influences from it are preserved in original Arabic works. Kepler is believed to have had access to these when formulating his astronomical theories, as he lifted large parts of it straight from the Arabian works (his originality was to take the Arabian astronomic data and change it to a heliocentric model).
The Phaseis examines the many winds, assigning names and attributes to the most common ones depending upon the cardinal point from which they originate, and incorporates them into Ptolemy's parapegma. I shall here skip over most of them, concentrating on one that appears just once in the year, known in greek as (/eXiBovíai), in Spanish as "quelidonios", English translation unknown, but the term derives from the Greek for "swallows" (the bird). It refers to the winds of spring that bring the swallows, Sin`an calls it by its literal name in Arabic - al riyab al-jutt'afiyya, giving its dates as 22,23,24 Feb.
With relative frequency for these dates the text refers to the ornithological winds, the spring winds, which "expel young birds from the nest".
And on the 24th Feb a reference to the alciones [es] or wind of the halcyons blowing is made; the text refers to "the winter winds which force birds to their nests".
Now, in short, what the Phaseis is referring to are seasonal calendar dates recognised by the traditional winds that blew in Greece at the time, a tradition that is still recognised by country-folk today.
Given the unusual attribute of the bird to be found on You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view., inasmuch as it is an animal which is fairly well drawn and designed to be an integral part of the drawing rather than a scribble afterthought, I am starting to think that this page could be depicting the winds described in the Phaseis, although not necessarily from this book, but from the same mythology.
An important part of the ID would be whether or not the bird is on its "nest" in the bottom tower (swallows nest under eaves in custom built houses). I do not think the bird is in fact any sort of real animal. Instead, it is a mythological reference, most possible to a halcyon, which was a fabled bird identified with the kingfisher that was supposed to have had the power to calm the wind and the waves while it nested on the sea during the winter solstice. Ptomley however talks of "when the halycons make their nests".
Under this theory, the two nymphs appearing on the left hand towers would thus be wind spirits, as seen in other parts of the Voynich. Can the towers be linked to this mythology? Unknown at this time.
This is simply a brief outline of an idea forming in my head and I would be interested to see if anyone has pursued this, or can shed any light on the theories or sources mentioned.
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| Comparability oft the Voynich Complex |
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Posted by: voynichbombe - 04-07-2015, 08:35 PM - Forum: Voynich Talk
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For a while I have been looking for topics comparable to the Voynich*. I do not mean in terms of contents, etc., but in terms of research efforts put into it, and diversity of opinions on it's true nature. And all the stuff that goes along.. I hope you understand what I mean. *It is a complex, really.
So far the "Vynland Map" has been my best guess. But lately I came across a Codex that CAN be read, and yet is regarded as largely unexplained by it's researchers, the Codex Manesse (<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://digi.ub.uni-heidelberg.de/diglit/cpg848">http://digi.ub.uni-heidelberg.de/diglit/cpg848</a><!-- m -->). This is just an example. IF we knew to read the MS, would we really be any smarter? I would love to hear your opinion on this.
Best
Gert
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| Is it worthwhile actually trying to identify the plants in the VM? |
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Posted by: david - 28-06-2015, 07:51 PM - Forum: Imagery
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I have written a rather long post about whether or not it is worthwhile trying to work out the plants in the Voynich.
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I would be interested in what people think. Obviously some people (such as Steve D on the Voynich mailing list) spend a lot of time and effort trying to identify the plants, but we never seem to get anywhere. Is it actually possible to label these plants? I would argue that it isn't.
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