I have some ideas concerning VM and was advised to start separate thread. I'll try to describe them briefly.
First of all the map from Voynich to Latin (* stands for any vowel sequence):
o - v, y, b, u e - c, t, g y - com-, con-, -is, -us d - l ch - e*r l - m, n k - d r - r, -rum n - (none) t - l*l [font=Eva]q[/font]- q, k [font=Eva]sh[/font]- pr, fr [font=Eva]s[/font]- s, x p[font=Arial] [/font][font=Arial]- p, f[/font] m- ris, rus cth- l*l*r [font=Eva][font=Eva]ckh[/font]- d*r[/font] f[font=Arial] [/font][font=Arial]- s[/font] [font=Eva][font=Eva]cfh[/font][/font]- f*r g[font=Arial] [/font][font=Arial]- lis, lus[/font] x[font=Arial] [/font][font=Arial]- z[/font]
ai-family are vowels
Second hypothesis: words with gallow in front are capitalized, others are not. So,
a) if a word starts with gallow, but shouldn't be capitalized, o is written in front (that's why texts near images often start with o)
b) if a word starts with non-gallow, but should be capitalized, gallow is written in front.
Separate words undoubtedley can be translated with this key. For example, famous daiin appears to be form of Latin ille.
More specific details can be found in attachment.
Cheers
I decided to run a text analysis of the Marci Letter which was supposedly sent to Kircher. I found anomalies with the Capital, "R" straight out and it was not consistent, in fact 1 R looked like a voynich, "e". The spacing of the words and the upward momentum to leveling off is seen in the Voynich Manuscript. The dot in the letter, "i" tilts to the right like his signature.
The letter reads in English
Quote:The letter of Johannes Marcus Marci to Athanasius Kircher (1665) Reverend Lord Father in Christ This book was left to me by a close friend in his will and ever since I first owned it I have destined it for you my dearest Athanasius, persuaded as I am that it can be read by none if not by you. The then possessor of the book once sent you letters seeking your judgment about a part of it which he wrote down and sent to you, being convinced that the rest of it could be read by you. He refused to send the actual book and put untiring work into its decipherment. as will be seen from his attempts now sent to you under the same cover. He did not give up this hope until he reached the end of his life. But in fact his work was in vain, as such riddles only obey their very own Kircher. So now please accept what was long owed to you as some small token of my affection for you, and break through its bars with your habitual ease. Doctor Raphael, the Czech language tutor of King Ferdinand III as they both then were, once told me that the said book belonged to Emperor Rudolph and that he presented 600 ducats to the messenger who brought him the book. He, Raphael, thought that the author was Roger Bacon the Englishman. I suspend my judgement on the matter. You be the judge of what we should think about it. I commend myself to your favour and grace and I remain At the service of your Reverence. Prague 19 August 1665
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I will present a set of statements here about the human figures in the manuscript, their number and state of undress.
1) There are [over five hundred] human figures in the manuscript.
I'm not sure of the number, but I seem to remember Rene once said something like this. Does anyone know more or have a source?
2) Additionally, a number of faces are found in the roots of some plants and on representations of heavenly bodies. Plants with faces are: - f33r: two faces - f89r1 bottom middle: five faces - f101v2 bottom: one face
3) Most human figures are completely naked (ignoring headgear).
4) Fifty human figures are clothed with at least one piece of clothing (ignoring headgear).
5) A large majority of human figures are female.
6) Some human figures have androgynous features.
Number (4) is based on a count I did just now. I ignored everything worn on the head, but included all other clothes worn, including a couple of ambiguous cases. The count might be repeated by somebody else to see if I didn't make any big mistakes.
Lets not leave dead dogs behind. I authored two books regarding, "The Code Unchopped", in pursuit of decoding the Voynich text. And in all fairness I did receive up to $700.00 in royalties. The book did have a write up in the online section of the Dutch Science News which was purged and praised my work. The first copy is available, however someone is trying to sell it for $500.00. The second copy is for sale!
I would like you to see the first and 2nd copy and tell me what you think. I decoded the text in Italian anagrams with my own unique cipher. Also I think $500.00 is pricey for what I feel was an attempt now. I no longer really care about the money or any fame from just the idea. So in good spirit I would like you all to have the two copies and anyone else. Please I know the books are odd so just take it good stride!
Inside the code unchopped 2 you will find a document that I obtained from an online Library which shows about 10 voynich glyphs. The document was a transaction of real estate in the 15th Century Cotone Region.
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A You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. with a large star and a pair of scales is suggestive of Venus (the planetary ruler of Libra).
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view., Divine Comedy, Italy (mentioned You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.): Crowned Venus with Stars and Scales
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.: Naked Venus with Star and Scales
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.: Venus with vaguely Voynich-like crown and Scales
BAV ms lat. 1066 (? - I am not sure of the origin of this illustration): Crowned naked Venus (on the shell)
But it must be noted that the VMS has almost three hundred naked women with stars, some of which are crowned and associated with different zodiac signs. Also, images of Venus as a planetary ruler usually include Taurus (Venus' other zodiac sign) as well. So, the analogy could very well be an irrelevant coincidence.
It's always a good idea to try something and then see what can be improved. I have a couple of remarks about the way the project works so far and what might be improved.
Positive:
I really like the debate and the fact that everything is reconsidered and concrete evidence is compared. I still fully support this project and I think it could help us and the study of the manuscript a lot.
Problems:
- People vote before the debate starts. Sometimes details emerge that could change one's vote, but not everybody will keep reading the thread after voting.
- Not everybody is qualified to judge everything. For example, I did not know exactly what defines a palimpsest. Some others were clearly not familiar with the definition of "religious iconography" and so on.
- People can vote "no" and shoot down an idea without any explanation whatsoever.
Since we are trying to build solid foundations, I think it's worth a try to circumvent these problems.
My proposal for a solution:
1) Don't start with a statement, but a question: is the MS a palimpsest? Is there any conventional religious iconography?
2) Debate follows, evidence is gathered.
3) If a consensus is reached or it looks like everything has been said, an editor closes the thread and distills a statement from it. In this statement there can be room for nuance if necessary. The statement is presented in a new thread and people can still suggest to have it changed.
I believe this will lead to a better, more comprehensive result. These are of course just suggestions, so feel free to suggest an alternative as well
I would love to see any letters written by Wilfrid. I can not find any on the net. If you have any on your hard drive or you know of a web site that contains them, please post them here. I would like to compare his penmanship to the Voynich Manuscript. I would like to look at the spacing in words as-well. There could be a remote possibility Wilfrid forged the Voynich Manuscript, then you would see something similar to the Voynich Manuscript in his writing.
If no one here has never seen or does not have access to his writing then this would only add to the mystic of the Voynich Manuscript.
Explanation
A palimpsestis defined as a manuscript which has been re-used by scraping off the previous writing, leaving a blank skin upon which to write afresh.
The process usually results in a finer skin, as the upper layer has been scraped off, leaving signs to the naked eye. Other methods to detect palimpests include chemical analysis (not carried out) and multispectral imagery (carried out in 2014 with no apparant signs being published).
Careful examination of the scans have failed to detect any signs of this process.
Furthermore, the manuscript has been subjected to analysis by experts from the McCrone Institute and Yale (both in 2009) with no signs being found that this is a palimpsest.
A further examination at the Folger Institute display in 2014 by experts also failed to detect any signs of previous writing, leaving the experts to conclude verbally to witnesses that it was not a palimpest (1).
Just as importantly, nor have the thousands of hours of analysis by amateurs over the course of the last century bought up any serious suggestion that the manuscript is a palimpsest.
Further reading
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We don't have a thread about one of the more important names in the manuscript's post-manufacture history yet, so here goes. These are some of my thoughts, feel free to add your own
Ever since I learned Baresch thought there was some connection between the mystery manuscript on his shelves and Egypt, I have wondered if perhaps he knew something. I mean, he must have gotten it from someone, and that someone must have told him something about its origin. Sure, this could have been a game of "telephone", where the origins of the manuscript are slightly altered with each owner, but I wonder if it is at all possible that Baresch had still gained some knowledge about its original circumstances.
Even if all he knew was something like "it was bought from x", this may have placed him in a better position than us to assess its contents. Apart from the fact that he lived much closer to the time of its manufacture than we do.
One thing is for certain: Baresch contacted the most famous Egyptologist of his time at least twice, and told him his thoughts on an Egyptian connection.
Some of Philip Neal's You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. on his translation of the letter also point in the direction that Baresch really believed that not only the images, but also the script was Egyptian:
Quote:The point is that Barschius assumes that the key to the problem is simply to identify the script.
Neal also notes:
Quote:It is of interest that seventeenth century herbalists could not identify the plants.
So well, I wonder what your opinions are about Baresch and his letter. Does anyone know if a scan of this letter exists somewhere?
Also, is anything else known about Baresch that might help us?
Came upon this thing, wasn't quite sure where the best place to post it would be...
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This page and the one before have some examples of medieval numbers and of writing from different language. I'm not sure what is going on upon the particular page I'm showing (astronomical abbreviations?)
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