Kurze Frage zur Struktur einzelner EVA-Wörter

[ReneLueth]

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Hallo,

ich bin neu hier und versuche gerade, die EVA-Transkription überhaupt erst zu verstehen.

Mir ist dabei eine kleine Sache aufgefallen, bei der ich unsicher bin:

In der Sequenz „qokedy daiin shol“ habe ich den Eindruck, dass die Wörter eventuell unterschiedliche Rollen haben könnten (z. B. etwas wie Prozess / Objekt / Ergebnis) – aber ich weiß nicht, ob ich mir da etwas einbilde.

Ist so ein strukturelles Lesen hier überhaupt sinnvoll, oder ist das ein typischer Denkfehler?

Ich wäre für jede Einschätzung dankbar

[Koen G]

Which folio are you talking about? Do you even know?

[ReneLueth]

Good point — I should have been more precise.

The sequence I had in mind appears in herbal contexts such as You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (e.g. lines containing “chor daiin shol”) and similar constructions.

My question was less about a specific folio and more about whether recurring tokens like “qokedy”, “daiin”, “shol” tend to show positional or functional patterns within a line.

But I may be overinterpreting — that’s exactly what I’m trying to understand.

Do you think this kind of structural reading has been tested before in a rigorous way?

[bi3mw]

ich bin neu hier und versuche gerade, die EVA-Transkription überhaupt erst zu verstehen

Hi Rene,

I'm not entirely sure what you mean by “roles,” but the assignment of letters to VMS glyphs in EVA transcription is, in principle, interchangeable. This wouldn't matter for statistical analyses, for example; the main thing is that the assignments are unambiguous and consistent. With some words, however, it’s not clear exactly what constitutes a letter. In the case of “daiin,” for example, it could be composed of d-a-iin, meaning that “iin” forms a single letter (contrary to the EVA transcription).

edit: Sorry for the delay in posting this.

[ReneLueth]

Thanks — that’s a really helpful clarification.

If I understand correctly, you're pointing out that any apparent “roles” might depend heavily on how tokens are segmented in EVA, and that something like “daiin” may not be a stable unit.

That makes sense, and it probably means that before looking for functional patterns, I should first consider whether the units themselves are well-defined.

Would you say that testing patterns at a more granular level (e.g. subcomponents like “iin”) is more appropriate, or is the ambiguity too high even there?

I’m trying to understand where a structural approach would even begin to be meaningful.

[Koen G]

The things you are copy pasting from your chatbot are not very consistent. First, you talk about the sequence „qokedy daiin shol“, without knowing where it occurs. (I think it doesn't?)

Then you call You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. a herbal page, while it's not a herbal page.

Then you refer to another sequence "chor daiin shol" as if it is frequent. Where are you even finding this?

AI chatbots are very bad at Voynich research, and as soon as you ask them any questions about the text, they will make stuff up. This is confusing and a waste of everyone's time, and not allowed on this forum.