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  eggyk > 4 hours ago

  (5 hours ago)Onix_slate Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.doing so has shown to reliably filter out "rare" characters, leaving latin words (often era appropriate shorthand or conjugations)

  
  So if that is the case, which voynichese symbols match to which letters? You must know, considering you have produced latin text.

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  Rafal > 4 hours ago

  Quote:by seqencing all of the stars in the final section you get the "masking" of the grille cypher.
  to "read" the book you would reread the lines multiple times with the different star masking.
  doing so has shown to reliably filter out "rare" characters, leaving latin words (often era appropriate shorthand or conjugations)

  
  
  Okay, so you say to read the text you need some grille 
  You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
  
  Were you able to reconstruct such grille? Can you show it to us?
  
  By the way, grille works this way:
  
  
  
  To read some text using a grille you must have some matrix of letters first that you put the grille on.
  
  But Voynich doesn't have known letters but some strange symbols instead.
  Putting a grille onto a Voynich page gives you nothing, you still can't read it.
  
  So how did you read this?
  
  initium salve
  viridis materia
  corporis lo
  prima mista

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  Onix_slate > 3 hours ago

  (4 hours ago)eggyk Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

  (5 hours ago)Onix_slate Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.doing so has shown to reliably filter out "rare" characters, leaving latin words (often era appropriate shorthand or conjugations)

  
  So if that is the case, which voynichese symbols match to which letters? You must know, considering you have produced latin text.

  seems a bit like your more interested in my chicken scratches than the actual theory. i dont need someone to check my answers, i need someone to follow the theory, as a verification of results.... if i give you the exact details how on earth do you expect me to believe this isnt an infinite monkeys situation.
  im here to give others the idea leading to my results. "IF" my work is correct others will be able to replicate my "success".
  use the stars as the key
  "io oclis sidus"

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  eggyk > 3 hours ago

  (3 hours ago)Onix_slate Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.seems a bit like your more interested in my chicken scratches than the actual theory. i dont need someone to check my answers, i need someone to follow the theory, as a verification of results.... if i give you the exact details how on earth do you expect me to believe this isnt an infinite monkeys situation.
  im here to give others the idea leading to my results. "IF" my work is correct others will be able to replicate my "success".
  use the stars as the key
  "io oclis sidus"

  
  How am I supposed to follow your theory if I don't know which voynichese letters map to which latin letters. 
  
  Your answer is typical of someone who has used AI for a voynich solution. As soon as anyone asks for the process, or an example of the process, or information about the process, the response becomes defensive.

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  pjburkshire > 3 hours ago

  (3 hours ago)Onix_slate Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
  seems a bit like your more interested in my chicken scratches than the actual theory. i dont need someone to check my answers, i need someone to follow the theory, as a verification of results.... if i give you the exact details how on earth do you expect me to believe this isnt an infinite monkeys situation.
  im here to give others the idea leading to my results. "IF" my work is correct others will be able to replicate my "success".
  

  
  
  Onix_slate, it is painful to watch this.  Run.  Save yourself.  Save your sanity.  Forget you ever heard of anything called the Voynich Manuscript.  Stay far, far away from anything on the Internet that has the word Voynich in it.

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  Onix_slate > 3 hours ago

  (3 hours ago)eggyk Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

  (3 hours ago)Onix_slate Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.seems a bit like your more interested in my chicken scratches than the actual theory. i dont need someone to check my answers, i need someone to follow the theory, as a verification of results.... if i give you the exact details how on earth do you expect me to believe this isnt an infinite monkeys situation.
  im here to give others the idea leading to my results. "IF" my work is correct others will be able to replicate my "success".
  use the stars as the key
  "io oclis sidus"

  
  How am I supposed to follow your theory if I don't know which voynichese letters map to which latin letters. 
  
  Your answer is typical of someone who has used AI for a voynich solution. As soon as anyone asks for the process, or an example of the process, or information about the process, the response becomes defensive.

   defensive... right... believe me or don't im not here to "share my process" the letters themselves arent the encryption...any voychines letters that dont have a visual match to latin have not shown themselves in my process.
  star sequence for 103(R+V) r,w,w,r,w,r,w,w,r,w,w,r,w,r,w,w,r,w,w
  use this sequence (read only the charachters that would be in a w "ZONE" 
  the first line from "output" from 103 should read
  C U R R I O S I C C A
  {care, dry= assumed translation}
  if thats not enough of my "work" for you then sorry. im not re-transcribing 15 different scraps of paper from my midnight autistic hyper-fix. i've never shown my work before im not going to start now. if my theory is right im deleting this account and moving on with my life.
  

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  (3 hours ago)pjburkshire Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

  (3 hours ago)Onix_slate Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
  seems a bit like your more interested in my chicken scratches than the actual theory. i dont need someone to check my answers, i need someone to follow the theory, as a verification of results.... if i give you the exact details how on earth do you expect me to believe this isnt an infinite monkeys situation.
  im here to give others the idea leading to my results. "IF" my work is correct others will be able to replicate my "success".
  

  
  
  Onix_slate, it is painful to watch this.  Run.  Save yourself.  Save your sanity.  Forget you ever heard of anything called the Voynich Manuscript.  Stay far, far away from anything on the Internet that has the word Voynich in it.

  too late i heard about this a while back and only recently picked it up because of the burning midnight sun and sleep deprived mania

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  nablator > 3 hours ago

  (Yesterday, 07:38 PM)Onix_slate Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.[coloured stars - discard letter] [non coloured stars keep letter]
  ...
  the star margins of 103 seem to properly decode the first 4 pages.
  1
  initium salve
  viridis materia
  corporis lo
  prima mista

  
  There are 7 red stars and 12 non-coloured stars (some with yellow dot, doesn't matter?) on You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. so there should be at most 12 letters to read vertically, somewhere on the page, through the star-grille: "initium salve" has 12 letters but "viridis materia" has 14 letters. Where do the 2 additional letters come from?

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  Onix_slate > 3 hours ago

  (3 hours ago)nablator Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

  (Yesterday, 07:38 PM)Onix_slate Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.[coloured stars - discard letter] [non coloured stars keep letter]
  ...
  the star margins of 103 seem to properly decode the first 4 pages.
  1
  initium salve
  viridis materia
  corporis lo
  prima mista

  
  There are 7 red stars and 12 non-coloured stars (with yellow dot) on You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. so there should be at most 12 letters to read somewhere on the page through the star-grille: "initium salve" has 12 letters but "viridis materia" has 14 letters. Where do the 2 additional letters come from?

  apologies friend. that was an assumed "short hand" word the original read "mater" however my hand writing is very sloppy. going over my notes each line uses a different "pages" key

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  pjburkshire > 3 hours ago

  (3 hours ago)Onix_slate Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
  too late i heard about this a while back and only recently picked it up because of the burning midnight sun and sleep deprived mania
  

  
  
  Well, I'm not in the encrypted camp.  I'm in the extinct natural language camp so I can't help with something I don't think exists.

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  Onix_slate > 3 hours ago

  (3 hours ago)pjburkshire Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

  (3 hours ago)Onix_slate Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
  too late i heard about this a while back and only recently picked it up because of the burning midnight sun and sleep deprived mania
  

  
  
  Well, I'm not in the encrypted camp.  I'm in the extinct natural language camp so I can't help with something I don't think exists.

  its okay, but i feel this theory is definitively worthy. if i had a sacred knowledge or secret medicine recipies id want to make sure no body could read it,yet id still wish to be able to pass it on to an aprentice.(and i think the stars are the clue left behind)
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