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RE: [split] Volvelles or Disks
AliciaNelPresente > 2 hours ago
(3 hours ago)Mauro Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
(4 hours ago)AliciaNelPresente Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The hypothesis I am putting forward, that the text is physically constrained by a state dependent mechanism
This may well be possible, of course (among many other possible things). It has been proposed many times and in many different flavours, I myself made a complicated set of software 'volvelles' which writes a text very similar to the original Voynich in many statistics (a gibberish text, in this case). The problem is to find a system which works and convinces people due to its explanatory power (mine failed to convince even its author
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That sounds interesting, Mauro. Could you share it with me privately? If it's code, I love hitting the “Run” button
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RE: [split] Volvelles or Disks
Rafal > 2 hours ago
Quote:This means the glyph you write now is mechanically forced by the glyph you wrote immediately before.
Quote:It is empirically deterministic
The problem is that Voynichese is probabilistic and not deterministic.
The letters depend of previous letters but these aren't absolute rules, just tendencies.
You will find a lot of exceptions and uncanny cases for any rule you will say, even for Prefix + Root + Suffix word structure.
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RE: [split] Volvelles or Disks
RobGea > 1 hour ago
The way i see it, is that using Volvelles gets you nowhere, it gives no leverage.
Volvelles are simply paper machines, without an instruction set they are useless.
Defining the instruction set is where the problem lies.
:: As an aside you may find this link of interest:
Computational attacks on the Voynich manuscript : Cipher Wheels
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RE: [split] Volvelles or Disks
AliciaNelPresente > 28 minutes ago
What if the 'Instruction Set' isn't a missing manual, but the Volvelle itself?
Look at the Stolfi Crust-Mantle-Core diagram you shared. It assumes those rings spin freely. But if we apply the dependency logic we've been discussing where the current state restricts the next one (where a current glyph restricts the following) the picture changes completely.
![[Image: crustmantlecorewheels2.png?w=2048]](https://voynichattacks.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/crustmantlecorewheels2.png?w=2048)
Imagine that the rings are geared (or geared in some way) to each other.
In this scenario, the 'Instruction Set' isn't missing; it is friction.
The scribe didn't have the freedom to choose any combination. The Volvelle made the choice for him.
If we treat the text not as a language, but as text generated by a Volvella, with physical limitations, the low entropy and repetitive “prefix-root-suffix” structure cease to be a mystery and become a mechanical necessity.
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RE: [split] Volvelles or Disks
Bluetoes101 > 18 minutes ago
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RE: [split] Volvelles or Disks
AliciaNelPresente > 13 minutes ago
Got it, my mistake then! I’m still quite new here, but there are definitely some very interesting voices that deserve more attention haha