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IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT (well, sort of)
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RE: IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT (well, sort of)
Koen G > 5 hours ago
(Today, 03:01 AM)asteckley Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Unfortunately, Jorge, people do seem to be missing the point of the SDA. Looking forward to your reveal, though.
We are just having some fun with anagrams, since this thread is intriguing but there's not much to go on yet. Patrick and I added our own anagrams of predictions about Stolfi's reveal.
Stolfi, you did put the bar high for yourself by saying it's "not a theory, interpretation, guess, etc, but a fact." So is the anagram necessary because you think someone else might make the same discovery while you are working on it? -
RE: IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT (well, sort of)
Jorge_Stolfi > 3 hours ago
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RE: IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT (well, sort of)
oshfdk > 3 hours ago
(3 hours ago)Jorge_Stolfi Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.So you think it cannot be "sakanobotta"?
I hope it's not. Really, for me to return the massive sakanobotta theories to good standing I think nothing would work short of a written affidavit of the sakanobotters accompanied by a detailed explanation of the sakanobotting techniques used, preferably with some video evidence. -
RE: IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT (well, sort of)
oshfdk > 2 hours ago
(Today, 03:01 AM)asteckley Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Unfortunately, Jorge, people do seem to be missing the point of the SDA.
I don't think there is a point, in the modern world, other than entertainment. If the point was to protect the priority of some discovery, a modern hash would work better. An anagram of this length most likely has several possible readings in some languages, discoverable via brute force, which makes it possible for people to dispute the original reading, especially if it's not very specific. On the other hand, if it's specific it should be in principle possible to enumerate all anagrams of these letters (a few hundred millions, I think), run a dictionary attack, get something like a 10**5 plausible results and run them through an LLM to identify those that would make sense in the context of a discovery related to the Voynich MS, effectively breaking the secret.
So, the point is having fun and we are having fun. -
RE: IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT (well, sort of)
DG97EEB > 2 hours ago
I think we should challenge both the standard theory and the modern forgery theory and introduce a new "future past theory", where it was in fact created by Satoshi Nakamoto with a time machine financed via his huge store of bitcoin... -
RE: IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT (well, sort of)
Jorge_Stolfi > 1 hour ago
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RE: IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT (well, sort of)
Jorge_Stolfi > 47 minutes ago
(2 hours ago)oshfdk Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.which makes it possible for people to dispute the original reading, especially if it's not very specific
That is not a problem.
Consider the anagram that Galileo sent to Kepler about the phases of Venus:- Haec immatura a me iam frustra leguntur o.y.
- ("These are now too young to be read by me in vain").
- Macula rufa in Jove est gyratur mathem.
- ("There is a red spot in Jupiter which rotates mathem[atically]")
- Cynthiae figuras aemulatur mater amorum
- ("The mother of love [Venus] emulates the shapes of Cynthia [the Moon]")
(Bizarrely, it seems that Kepler's found his incorrect solution well before the official discovery of the Great Red Spot on Jupiter...)
All the best, --stolfi - Haec immatura a me iam frustra leguntur o.y.
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RE: IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT (well, sort of)
oshfdk > 38 minutes ago
(1 hour ago)Jorge_Stolfi Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.But it would not be as fun! And this way is more fitting to this forum...
As I say, fun it is. My favorite anagrams so far:
NUDE MEN IS ASIA
USES NAME INDIA
IS MADE IN N.E. USA
I bet once (and if) the manuscript is deciphered, we can return to this thread and find an anagram that would properly describe the deciphering. -
RE: IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT (well, sort of)
oshfdk > 31 minutes ago
(47 minutes ago)Jorge_Stolfi Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
(2 hours ago)oshfdk Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.which makes it possible for people to dispute the original reading, especially if it's not very specific
That is not a problem.
Consider the anagram that Galileo sent to Kepler about the phases of Venus:
I think this was specific enough, if it was about the crescent of Venus. The problem with "animus ne ideas" is that it's very short, all permutations can be easily enumerated. If the result is specific (say, "JOHNDEESIGNATURE" "JOHNDEESIGNATUREONF57V"), it can be extracted, if it's not very specific (say, "HASASIANFRUITS"), it can be contested as not specific enough and retrofitted post-hoc, after someone else discovers Asian fruits in the MS. Of course, if no-one makes a contesting claim before you show the cards, then there is no difference if there was a protective anagram in the first place.