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• RE: f17r

  JoJo_Jost > Yesterday, 07:02 PM

  (Yesterday, 03:35 PM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The looped f is interesting, it's not something I noticed before.
  
  The problem with "h" remains the descender on the right leg though. In the marginalia, we have a minim with a foot (little uptick), but as far as I know this should always be a descender, as shown in your examples as well. This is not an "h".
  

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  Note that there is an "f" on f116v, which is almost certainly the same hand, and definitely the same script. No sign of a loop here... (unless it's the faintest of hairlines)

  
  @ Koan thx, and I'm not very familiar with page 116v either. I've looked at it several times, but I've never analyzed it. I look at the picture, and you might be right.
  
  and sorry, I don't understand what you mean about the "h". The h here is identical to the one in the template of the example? But that is not what u mean? 
  
  At the moment, I'm analyzing the rest of the text, and there are a few vague indications that it might even have something to do with the plant on the right. But I'm still struggling with the barely legible writing.
  
  I love such puzzles  .
  
  For Example: At the moment I'm wondering whether the LL in the 5th word is actually a T, like this:
  
     
  
  for:  
  the part after the LL could be miniet or animet
  
  the part bevor = ora(t)??? miniet (please dye red, maybe the plant??? - The master beekeeper has been asked to dye the plant red. With bee resin???  )
  
  And i think the second word could be abar'= abare. 
  the fourth word could be Her'= Herbal ?
  
  The last word could be the abbreviation for alchemy (still very uncertain), with the word before it perhaps something like workshop of alchemy "Official(is)" or somthing like that? (still very, very uncertain;too )
  
  And the possibility that he switched to Voynichese is also quite high.
  
  so I am far from being sure. Does anyone have ideas in this context?

• RE: f17r

  Koen G > Yesterday, 07:40 PM

  We have to see what's written on the page and try to derive the meaning (if any) from there, not the other way around. It really helps to look at some actual manuscripts that use this style. This is more consistent than picking matches from a book that mixes different styles.
  
  The top 25 or so entries in this spreadsheet should give you an idea: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 
  
  You will see that this "t" you propose does not make much sense. 
  
  What I mean with "h" is that all examples you posted have a descender on the right leg. A descender is a line that extends below the base line. This is expected in gothic scripts of the 15th century. The stroke you would read as the right leg of "h" in "malher" does not have a descender - in fact, we can clearly see that the stroke is finished with a little upward tick.

• RE: f17r

  JoJo_Jost > Yesterday, 10:02 PM

  Ah, that's where the misunderstanding lies. I meant the h in “her” not in “malhar.” The h in the fourth word is the same as in the example from Fh Potsdam (line 3) — the other letters are also very similar, which is why the f with a loop would also be possible.
  
  However, if I interpret the h in malhar as Pi, I am aware that it is too high and that it is a capital gothic P, probably to lean against the loop of the A, visually. If that were the case, a capital T would also be possible here, as it also leans against the loop of the A (see b).
  
  But anyway, I don't want to hijack the thread here, my way of working seems to be a little different So let's leave it at that, I'll get back to here if I manage to turn it into a grammatically correct and meaningful sentence. It's the result that counts, the path to it is often confusing .
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