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• New Theory: The Voynich Manuscript as a Binary Ritual Calendar (Open Testing Welcome)

• RE: New Theory: The Voynich Manuscript as a Binary Ritual Calendar (Open Testing Welcome)

  Bluetoes101 > Yesterday, 01:13 AM

  I gave you the benefit of the doubt as you seemed reasonable. Taxans built different I guess. 
  This is, grade A, horse..poop. Entire thing, start to finish.
  
  A "Mirrored structure with Neutral phase marker". You serious?
  This is nonsense, stacked on nonsense supported by pseudo "trust me bro" baloney. Nice to meet you, but take it elsewhere.

• RE: New Theory: The Voynich Manuscript as a Binary Ritual Calendar (Open Testing Welcome)

  DataWeaver22 > Yesterday, 01:15 AM

  (Yesterday, 01:13 AM)Bluetoes101 Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I gave you the benefit of the doubt as you seemed reasonable. Taxans build different I guess. 
  This is, grade A, horseshit. Entire thing, start to finish.
  
  A "Mirrored structure with Neutral phase marker". You serious?
  This is nonsense, stacked on nonsense supported by pseudo "trust me bro" baloney. Nice to meet you, but take it elsewhere.

  
  Can you tell me how you tested this and proved it wrong?
  

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  (Yesterday, 01:13 AM)Bluetoes101 Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I gave you the benefit of the doubt as you seemed reasonable. Taxans built different I guess. 
  This is, grade A, horse..poop. Entire thing, start to finish.
  
  A "Mirrored structure with Neutral phase marker". You serious?
  This is nonsense, stacked on nonsense supported by pseudo "trust me bro" baloney. Nice to meet you, but take it elsewhere.

  
  Thanks for the response, genuinely. I understand this idea may sound unconventional at first glance, and I'm fully open to critique.
  But I do want to be clear: this isn’t a “trust me bro” claim. I’ve laid out step-by-step instructions for replicating the process. You don’t have to take my word for anything and you can test it yourself using nothing but the images and visual classification. No EVA, no translation theories. Just structure, symmetry, and repeated visual patterns.
  
  You said: “Mirrored structure with Neutral phase marker. You serious?”
  Yes, I am. Because that phrase isn't just a buzzword bro it's something you can measure. 
  
  Example:
  On f70v1 (Taurus), Neutral markers appear at figures 10, 15, 21, and 29—consistently segmenting the 30-figure cycle into quarters. This repeats across other wheels (f67r2, f68v3, etc.) with the same structural logic.
  
  If you've tried it and found different results, I'd love to see them. I’m not here to win an argument, I’m here to find the truth, even if I’m wrong. But if someone’s going to call the whole thing “nonsense,” I think it’s fair to ask for a reasoned counter-test, not just a reaction.
  
  I’ve included:

  • A full prompt guide for ChatGPT to test this with only visual data
    
  • Wheel diagrams and phase keys
    
  • All source images used are from Yale’s Beinecke scans
    
    

  If you (or anyone else) actually runs the test and shows that the structure falls apart—I’ll be the first to thank you and revise the theory.
  Until then, I remain open—but grounded in replicable evidence.
  Respectfully,
  Amy Laird
  Binary Ritual Encoding System (Patent Pending)

• RE: New Theory: The Voynich Manuscript as a Binary Ritual Calendar (Open Testing Welcome)

  Bluetoes101 > Yesterday, 01:28 AM

  (Yesterday, 01:15 AM)DataWeaver22 Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

  (Yesterday, 01:13 AM)Bluetoes101 Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I gave you the benefit of the doubt as you seemed reasonable. Taxans build different I guess. 
  This is, grade A, horseshit. Entire thing, start to finish.
  
  A "Mirrored structure with Neutral phase marker". You serious?
  This is nonsense, stacked on nonsense supported by pseudo "trust me bro" baloney. Nice to meet you, but take it elsewhere.

  
  Can you tell me how you tested this and proved it wrong?
  

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  (Yesterday, 01:13 AM)Bluetoes101 Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I gave you the benefit of the doubt as you seemed reasonable. Taxans built different I guess. 
  This is, grade A, horse..poop. Entire thing, start to finish.
  
  A "Mirrored structure with Neutral phase marker". You serious?
  This is nonsense, stacked on nonsense supported by pseudo "trust me bro" baloney. Nice to meet you, but take it elsewhere.

  
  I mean I am here very humbly and just asking for someone to actually test what I am saying, I have included steps on how to actually test it, so until you can back up your adamt appeal how can I be sure ?

  
  I tried edit it, I got a bit feisty, so sorry for that. Saturday night beer pass..
  Give the AI anything, todays news with text reversed. It will find your findings again. 
  
  Don't want to take my word for it? then here is ChatGPTs take.
  
  this is not grounded in a testable, falsifiable, or replicable framework, and your description—“nonsense upon nonsense using unknown things to validate nonsense”—is a fair summary in terms of scientific methodology. Let's break this down objectively.
  

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  ? What This Person Is Claiming
  They propose a system called BRES (Binary Ritual Encoding System), which asserts that:
  

  1. Manuscripts like the Voynich, Phaistos Disc, and Book of Soyga are not languages, but ritual calendars.
     
  2. These are encoded via visual binaries (active/passive, start/stop, etc.).
     
  3. Structure is prioritized over content—patterns over meaning.
     
  4. The presence of visual repetition or alternation in symbols implies ritual intent.
     

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  ? Scientific and Logical Problems
  ❌ 1. Unfalsifiable Core Premise
  “If it alternates visually, it must be ritual.”
  This is not falsifiable—any pattern could be called ritual. That makes the theory immune to testing, which is anti-scientific.
  ❌ 2. Cherry-Picked Symbolism
  Symbols like "plumed heads" or "offering vessels" are interpreted through modern or personal assumptions. These interpretations are not grounded in archaeology, linguistics, or ethnography, and alternative readings (e.g., "the plumed head is a priest" vs. "a dancer" vs. "a bird") are equally unsupported—so no interpretation is stronger than another.
  ❌ 3. Statistical Sleight of Hand
  “63% alternation between phases”
  This is meaningless without:

  • A clear and repeatable method for assigning phases
    
  • A null hypothesis or expected alternation rate
    
  • A control set (e.g., random symbols) for comparison
    

  Without that, it's just pattern-hunting and overfitting.
  ❌ 4. Reinforcing Speculation with More Speculation
  Using the Phaistos Disc (which is itself undeciphered and controversial) to validate an interpretation of the Voynich Manuscript (which is also undeciphered) is circular reasoning. One speculative decoding cannot validate another.
  ❌ 5. Misuse of Cross-Cultural Concepts
  “360 + 5 sacred days” and “Mayan calendars”
  These are historically real ideas, but there’s no evidence that connects them to Voynich or Phaistos. Invoking them to support a binary calendar theory is guilt by association.
  

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  ? What’s Actually Going On
  This approach is typical of what’s called pseudoscientific patternism—a method where:

  • A person finds a visual pattern
    
  • Assigns a symbolic meaning post-hoc
    
  • Then claims the repetition implies intent or encoding
    
  • But offers no replicable method to verify the mapping
    

  In effect: if you assume there is ritual logic, and then look only for things that support that assumption, you will always "find" it.
  

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  ✅ What Would Be Required to Legitimize This
  

  1. Clear Definitions: What counts as "active"? How are glyphs consistently classified?
     
  2. Replication: Could someone else apply BRES to a new manuscript and get the same results?
     
  3. Control Data: Show that structured alternation doesn't occur in random texts.
     
  4. Peer Review: Submit this to a linguistics, semiotics, or history journal.
     
  5. Predictive Power: Can BRES predict something not already known?
     

  None of these are present.
  

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  ? Final Judgment
  This theory is built on subjective interpretation, pattern overfitting, and symbolic wish-casting, not evidence or method. It cannot be validated independently, and does not meet the bar for scholarly or scientific analysis.

• RE: New Theory: The Voynich Manuscript as a Binary Ritual Calendar (Open Testing Welcome)

  DataWeaver22 > Yesterday, 03:01 AM

  Bluetoes,
  
  This isn’t a fly by the seat of my pants theory. I’ve published a repeatable method that anyone can test visually. No glyphs, no translation assumptions. You have not even given me the courtesy of looking at my previous responses where I admit the labeling of Otor/Otar was off and I explained why. Here is what can be done….You can take any circular folio like f70v1, f67r2, or f69r, classify figures or segments by gesture, orientation, or structure into four visual phases (Passive, Active, Transitional, Neutral), and then look for repeating phase arcs or quarter-based breaks.
  That’s the claim. Not meaning, not language, just observable structure. And yes, in folios like f70v1 and f67r2, Neutral phases consistently fall at 10, 15, 21, and 29 out of 30, dividing the cycle into quarters. That’s either intentional or a statistical fluke worth testing.
  I fully agree that image labeling can involve some subjectivity. One viewer might call a gesture “invoking,” another might see it as “static.” That’s why the classification system is important. It gives a defined framework:

  • Passive: Stillness, grounding, rest
    
  • Active: Outward gesture, offering, invocation
    
  • Transitional: Turning, stepping, entering/leaving
    
  • Neutral: Symmetry, reset, structural pause
    

  As long as you’re applying these definitions consistently, the classification produces measurable results. And if the pattern fails under someone else’s interpretation, then that’s useful too. That’s how we move forward.
  Also worth noting this may be the first fully testable Voynich theory ever published. You don’t need credentials, software, or decoding tools. You just need your eyes and the scans. That alone should merit at least a genuine test. If it fails, that’s valuable. But if it passes, even partially, it may shift how we look at the manuscript entirely.
  I’ve also posted a full prompt guide and worksheets so others can replicate the analysis. If someone tests the method and gets different results, I’m open to that. But writing it off without engaging the method isn’t falsifying it. It’s avoiding it.
   
  If this theory breaks under pressure, great. But if the structure holds, maybe it’s worth asking why. I am disheartened by how rude and mean you have been to me however and I hope others are open minded enough to give it a chance. 
   
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• RE: New Theory: The Voynich Manuscript as a Binary Ritual Calendar (Open Testing Welcome)

  nablator > Yesterday, 07:57 AM

  (Yesterday, 01:15 AM)DataWeaver22 Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.On f70v1 (Taurus), Neutral markers appear at figures 10, 15, 21, and 29—consistently segmenting the 30-figure cycle into quarters.

  
  

  (Yesterday, 03:01 AM)DataWeaver22 Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.And yes, in folios like f70v1 and f67r2, Neutral phases consistently fall at 10, 15, 21, and 29 out of 30, dividing the cycle into quarters. That’s either intentional or a statistical fluke worth testing.

  
  Can we agree that You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. is Aries, it has 15 human figures and You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. has 12 sectors?
  
  If you could show us how you assign numbers to the figures on the actual pages that have 30 figures (not in a single circle as shown in your AI-generated diagrams), and explain how you categorize them "by gesture, orientation, or structure into four visual phases", maybe we could understand what you mean and discuss things without quoting AI-generated nonsense. Because you "went to dig in from the very beginning and fact checked the work" it should be easy.
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