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• RE: f85v and 86(part): using the Voynich Map

  oshfdk > 14-04-2025, 06:17 PM

  (14-04-2025, 05:59 PM)Stefan Wirtz_2 Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Sorry, this is clearly assigning letters to VMS characters, even capital letters.
  Such table is not helpful, but most irritating as it fixes the reader to visual conventions and lead to nowhere. Means, even if you „know“ there is some completely different VMS symbol behind, you are getting locked in an „understanding“ and „usage“ of all the little d‘s, e‘s, o‘s etc., which they aren‘t.
  
  And there are no such things as capital letters in VMS.

  
  EVA is a transliteration system. It serves its purpose very well and has been successfully used to describe Voynichese glyph sequences for many years.
  
  EVA is not a transcription system and was never intended as such.
  
  It is perfectly fine if you don't use EVA in your work, but your criticism of EVA seems misplaced.

• RE: f85v and 86(part): using the Voynich Map

  R. Sale > 14-04-2025, 06:25 PM

  EVA was implemented to put Voynichese vords on the qwerty keyboard. Some of the letter choices were made on the basis of common form, but any pretense of linguistic relevance was unintended. The rest is up to the imagination.

• RE: f85v and 86(part): using the Voynich Map

  Stefan Wirtz_2 > 14-04-2025, 07:52 PM

  Well, great:
  this leads to nothing. Diskussions about characters that are plain in sight at VMS and the use of a artificial table isn‘t matter of this thread at all.
  It‘s ok for me to clear a whole folio with just 3 words. Even more, they were not even needed as all discoveries in VMS are made by optical proof. 
  The identification of Mangup as „the castle“ hits 8 out of 8 details, are there even some more?
  This would, normally, lead to any comments or even further findings - not her obviously.

• RE: f85v and 86(part): using the Voynich Map

  Bluetoes101 > 15-04-2025, 12:02 AM

  Ok, so if I said to you "1-4-5"?
  
  You probably have no idea what I am on about. The guitarist I'm playing with knows the song we are starting is 12-bar blues. 
  1-4-5 has nothing to do with numbers. Capitals, none-capitals, none of it means anything, no one is here thinking EVA translates Voynich glyphs to language.
  
  It is labels so we can talk, like 1-4-5. If you don't want to do that then fine, but it makes life harder.

• RE: f85v and 86(part): using the Voynich Map

  Stefan Wirtz_2 > 15-04-2025, 01:48 PM

  (15-04-2025, 12:02 AM)Bluetoes101 Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Ok, so if I said to you "1-4-5"?
  You probably have no idea what I am on about. The guitarist I'm playing with knows the song we are starting is 12-bar blues. 
  1-4-5 has nothing to do with numbers. Capitals, none-capitals, none of it means anything, no one is here thinking EVA translates Voynich glyphs to language.
  
  It is labels so we can talk, like 1-4-5. If you don't want to do that then fine, but it makes life harder.

  According to your analogy, you risk with 1-4-5 in EVA that 4 is wrong and 5 not existing. And your guitarist may hear 1-4-5 because he is used to for a long time, even if you said something else.
  But anyway, I will present VMS letter only in images or this fine font here.

• RE: f85v and 86(part): using the Voynich Map

  Stefan Wirtz_2 > 16-04-2025, 01:44 PM

  About the identification of Mangup and the tents some more details.
  
  This is the best view onto the element southwest of the fortress I could find:
  
  
  
  There seems to be huge boulder and more broken off the cliff long time ago. If long enough, this could be mapped in VMS; the marks of break point at slope remind of VMS's connections between round element and cliff side.
  
  Sorry for resolution, better look it up here by yourselves:
  
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  Those pointy things that appear like a small repeat of whole fortress are belonging to the "little fifth finger" at East, the "spikes" are shown better here:
  
  
  
  
  
  
  In case somebody is doubting the tents in map: I did not explicitly call them Yurtes, even though mongolians are using them. Krimtatarians are not 1:1 equivalent with Mongols and are using (some styled) tents too.
  Tents are no rocket science, basically some cloth, ropes and stakes. Design, colouring and roping them down are personal taste...
  In VMS, even the smokehole and underconstruction is visible (from above), as an example here in a Yurt:
  
  The Map is just a map.
  
  Like all maps, it was made to show things, not to hide things, this is not Hogwarts.
  Problem was to find the things it shows. Took a while, obviously.

• RE: f85v and 86(part): using the Voynich Map

  oshfdk > 16-04-2025, 02:13 PM

  Somehow I fail to see any similarity between the VMS images and the photos. Could you maybe highlight the elements you find relevant?

• RE: f85v and 86(part): using the Voynich Map

  Stefan Wirtz_2 > 16-04-2025, 02:55 PM

  (16-04-2025, 02:13 PM)oshfdk Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Somehow I fail to see any similarity between the VMS images and the photos. Could you maybe highlight the elements you find relevant?

  Seriously?
  You can‘t recognize pointed bright-coloured tips, curved slopes and (forested) bulbs from drawing at foto?
  Do you expect satellite quality from an medieval sketch? Your fail.
  Your attitude is somewhere in the „it‘s not so because I dont see it“ region, isn‘t it?
  I suggest you check with Streetview, Google Maps or iPad mapping best, at Youtube are loads of good and short videos from russian tourists, search „mangup“. With resolution limit of 2MB in posting, direct view is very suggested.
  
  See, I‘ve read lots of your (at best) cynical comments here; from me, you will only get replies upon a rational, reasonable-doubt-based question here furthermore.

• RE: f85v and 86(part): using the Voynich Map

  oshfdk > 16-04-2025, 03:08 PM

  I understand that you are frustrated, but I still see no similarities between the VMS imagery and the photos you have chosen and I'm not sure how looking for more imagery of Mangup on the internet would help. I assume you have chosen photos that somehow highlight your point? The Google map imagery seems to show some very generic landscape.
  
  You can, of course, refuse to provide any help here, but this doesn't make your research more convincing to me.

• RE: f85v and 86(part): using the Voynich Map

  Stefan Wirtz_2 > 16-04-2025, 03:59 PM

  (16-04-2025, 03:08 PM)oshfdk Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I understand that you are frustrated, but I still see no similarities between the VMS imagery and the photos you have chosen and I'm not sure how looking for more imagery of Mangup on the internet would help. I assume you have chosen photos that somehow highlight your point? The Google map imagery seems to show some very generic landscape. [..]
  to me.

  Honestly, no. Not you again.
  Return to trust your own eyes, for example, take anything like Streetview, Google Maps, Apple Maps etc., put it to setellite, zoom into Oleshky, then onto Map roundel no.4: you know in a second where you are. Then move a bit to southeast (best at Apple) and so on.
  No, I am surely not frustrated, try it a bit more positive yourself, ok? Still some advances here, dont worry.
  I even not understand what you mean by "generic landscape", dont care for answering this, please. Am not interested.
  
  But let's turn the table:
  Am I remembering right that you are a native bulgarian speaker?
  
  So what does леля mean?
  And фякле ?
  
  Both are in VMS, I explained how the Voynich letters are used, it's no witchcraft. You can find both words there in. Then tell me if they are encoded.
  I am not here to convince namely you of anything: convince me that you are still willing to see...
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