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f85v and 86(part): using the Voynich Map
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RE: f85v and 86(part): using the Voynich Map
oshfdk > 16-04-2025, 04:19 PM
No, I don't speak Bulgarian at all, I think you are confusing me with someone, maybe with @Dobri
Generally there is no shortage of Voynich MS theories, but I'm trying to get myself familiar with most of them, because quite often they contain interesting observations. For example, your idea that matching TO maps phonetically with continent names might work regardless of the underlying language. I liked this idea, so I'm trying to see if there is anything else of interest in your research, and the best way of doing this for me is asking questions. However, if you are discouraged by this, I can stop, but this means it's unlikely I will spend much time looking into your theories. As they are now they are mostly incomprehensible to me. -
RE: f85v and 86(part): using the Voynich Map
Stefan Wirtz_2 > 16-04-2025, 04:42 PM
(16-04-2025, 04:19 PM)oshfdk Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.No, I don't speak Bulgarian at all, I think you are confusing me with someone, maybe with @Dobri
Generally there is no shortage of Voynich MS theories, but I'm trying to get myself familiar with most of them, because quite often they contain interesting observations. For example, your idea that matching TO maps phonetically with continent names might work regardless of the underlying language. I liked this idea, so I'm trying to see if there is anything else of interest in your research, and the best way of doing this for me is asking questions. However, if you are discouraged by this, I can stop, but this means it's unlikely I will spend much time looking into your theories. As they are now they are mostly incomprehensible to me.
Ok, forget about the bulgarian task.
For the sake of climate here, just tell me what you cant join together: "I dont see anything it all" does not help much, as I am forced to link to each single image I have parked on a website. Cannot park pictures directly in comments. Can you?
Tell me 1 maybe biggest problem, could be solved, but I cannot massdump images here until you found what you need. -
RE: f85v and 86(part): using the Voynich Map
oshfdk > 16-04-2025, 05:55 PM
(16-04-2025, 04:42 PM)Stefan Wirtz_2 Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.For the sake of climate here, just tell me what you cant join together
Let's start with the first pair of images that you posted. On the right I see a hillside with a large stone ( A ), a cliff ( B ) and some feature of the terrain ( C ). I see no other distinct features. I've marked various features of the cropped VMS image on the left with numbers from 1 to 8. Could you map which numbered parts of the left side image correspond to A, B, or C, if these are included in the visual match? Are there any other features on the right that correspond to something on the left?
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RE: f85v and 86(part): using the Voynich Map
Stefan Wirtz_2 > 16-04-2025, 06:43 PM
Great, thats better to do:
![[Image: IMG_1147%201.jpg?etag=W%2F%225031c-67ffe...quality=85]](https://impro.usercontent.one/appid/oneComWsb/domain/bahnstadt-braunschweig.de/media/bahnstadt-braunschweig.de/onewebmedia/IMG_1147%201.jpg?etag=W%2F%225031c-67ffe7d3%22&sourceContentType=image%2Fjpeg&ignoreAspectRatio&resize=2000,850&quality=85)
A is the boulder itself. Medieval artists sometimes placed their faces, names, a legend or something like a symbol onto positions that were not important for the whole artwork. So I assume the TO wheel landed here.
B/5: the cliffwall, looking like vertical waves and very blueish.
C: as I said, this is the best foto I could get. All tourists make videos and images of other places, this seems not interesting.
There is a wandering path leading to the right and up, up there is an old monastery to visit, so it was probably used before, but without good sight and after 600years of forest growth there is no chance to say more about 1,6,7 and C. Surely, the boulder can be reached by taking some path across the debris.
2: the downfall rubble (earlier with less trees und bushes, I suppose)
3: same problem as C, 1, 6,7, intensive plant growth and no clear sight to say something
4:the breach in the cliff
8: he just drawed the trees around that bolder, they were surely upcoming after 20 years or still stood after to earth fall. This rocks look rather old, that may have happened long before 1400AD and is impressive enough to be cartographed.
Alone this constellation at the southwest is quite unique, sorry I thought that is rather obvious. Having such a detail still lying there after 600 years gives a good push to "mangup identification", I think.
Just in case:
![[Image: IMG_1154%202.jpg?etag=W%2F%22880a2-67fff...quality=85]](https://impro.usercontent.one/appid/oneComWsb/domain/bahnstadt-braunschweig.de/media/bahnstadt-braunschweig.de/onewebmedia/IMG_1154%202.jpg?etag=W%2F%22880a2-67fff2c9%22&sourceContentType=image%2Fjpeg&ignoreAspectRatio&resize=2000,918&quality=85)
Again, after 600 years of foresting, agriculturing, erosion, coming from a time were proper perspective, dimensions and accuracy were still to be invented for drawings, and maybe an artist who did this from his memory, it is quite near to today. Even that path seems to be there.
Problem is to find winter fotos were the trees carry no leafs. Tourists produce summer images, even the satellite views from all major onlineservices show quite different qualities. -
RE: f85v and 86(part): using the Voynich Map
oshfdk > 16-04-2025, 07:42 PM
Thank you! Now I know what you are referring to, it was totally unclear to me before. I can't say I agree that this is a good visual match, but this works fine to let me understand your idea. Is it possible to also mark the specific details on the other two sets of images? -
RE: f85v and 86(part): using the Voynich Map
Stefan Wirtz_2 > 16-04-2025, 08:09 PM
(16-04-2025, 07:42 PM)oshfdk Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Thank you! [..] I can't say I agree that this is a good visual match, but this works fine to let me understand your idea. Is it possible to also mark the specific details on the other two sets of images?
ok.
I have updated the last reply meanwhile, do you mean this as one of the other picturesets? Did you find that already?
Is it necessary to explain the tent(s) too?
[edit: I found a double picture in the regarding post, the tent thing is now uploaded there, just feel invited to have a look]
If you have the chance to get a better picture, I have no problem to be proven wrong. Otherwise, if it shows that I made a quite good guess, don't hide it. -
RE: f85v and 86(part): using the Voynich Map
oshfdk > 16-04-2025, 09:55 PM
(16-04-2025, 08:09 PM)Stefan Wirtz_2 Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I have updated the last reply meanwhile, do you mean this as one of the other picturesets? Did you find that already?
Yes, thanks! Again, I don't see the images as matching in a convincing way, but at least I understand how you propose to match them.
(16-04-2025, 08:09 PM)Stefan Wirtz_2 Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Is it necessary to explain the tent(s) too?
Is there anything specific about the tents? I think round tents have been popular in many cultures.