(01-03-2025, 06:09 PM)Ruby Novacna Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I finally managed to download the file. Unfortunately I did not understand how the suggestion of meaning of about ten words allowed the author to interpret the whole manuscript and discover that it was written by "Order of the saffron veil".

It is all complete junk. I think you would be wasting time to make much sense of it.  

I get particularly riled up because so many people don't understand the basic limitations of those AI models and so they can be fooled into thinking it presents technically valid results.   Taking advantage of that to attract people to give money is particularly distasteful and offensive to me.

The author of this article had to check the writings anyway?
He claims that he accessed the transcription via Beinecke, is that possible?

(01-03-2025, 06:30 PM)asteckley Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Taking advantage of that to attract people to give money is particularly distasteful and offensive to me.

Why? There is no shortage of scammers in the world.

(01-03-2025, 07:00 PM)Ruby Novacna Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Why? There is no shortage of scammers in the world.

And they are all particularly distasteful and they should be called out and held accountable.

(01-03-2025, 06:43 PM)Ruby Novacna Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The author of this article had to check the writings anyway?

He's lying.

The fact he/she took it down might (hopefully) speak to their character. 
Many people believe in "stuff", especially "stuff" they create.
Its a reason a I don't usually don't get involved with "solutions" or "beliefs" in general. I believe "you can't reason a person out of a position they did not reason themselves into".

A proper scammer wouldn't take down the gofundme. Maybe they had truly convinced themselves and made a very misguided decision. 
Everyone gets one, in my book. 

But as a very unwise man once said, 

“There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again.”

I think it's worth restating that the text that the author has "translated" is not the text of the Voynich manuscript. Rather, it is a collection of random "words" from the Voynich manuscript. I have looked at several pages of the "translated" text; every one has exactly four lines; and not one of them matches, even approximately, the actual page of the manuscript. Anyone with superficial knowledge of the manuscript would know that this could not be the original text. 

The author was apparently relying on financial contributions from people with no direct knowledge of the Voynich manuscript.

At least I learned that there was a saffron veil of Greek and Roman brides, I don't know if the Order mentioned existed..

I searched "Order of the Saffron Veil" and the only results other than this thread and the Facebook post is You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. using Grok (the AI used for this alleged decipherment) to write up a story plot, just a week prior to the Facebook post. Clearly it's from some obscure work of fiction used among Grok's sources, or something like that.

(01-03-2025, 06:13 PM)tavie Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.It didn't.  The AI has hallucinated not only a translation but also a method and a source text.

You say that as if it's a bad thing!

[Wait. Don't blame me. AI made me post that!]