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• RE: Getting close to a source for f85r2

  Jorge_Stolfi > 06-12-2025, 08:10 PM

  (06-12-2025, 04:23 PM)Rafal Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The woman with stick and rosary is sometimes autumn and sometimes winter

  
  But @Juan_Sali observed You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. that the picture goes with the poem(?) on the facing page, which is about autumn ("herbst").  The text for winter, and its allegory, would be on the following page.
  
  All the best, --stolfi

• RE: Getting close to a source for f85r2

  Jorge_Stolfi > 07-12-2025, 04:14 PM

  Does anyone have a transcription and/or translation of the poem on the page of the Laufenberg book that is facing that lady with staff and rosary?  The poem about "herbst" (autumn), not the next one about winter?
  
  [Why isn't there an option to search a specific thread only?]
  
  All the best, --stolfi

• RE: Getting close to a source for f85r2

  Rafal > 19-01-2026, 03:01 PM

  I am not sure if it was shown before
  
  
  
     
  
  Royal MS 19 C I
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• RE: Getting close to a source for f85r2

  Bernd > 24-01-2026, 04:49 PM

  Cross linking to this thread:
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  Imagery from the Wellcome Apocalypse
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  f30v-The Ages of Men grouped around a wheel
  f31r-Dying man with cane and rosary walking to his grave
  
  
  
  
  
  
  All characters are grouped around a wheel
  The young man pointing up is one of the best matches for the VM imagery.
  Instead of the man with the bottle, we have a middle-aged man with a sack of money.
  There is also a character with both arms raised as seen in You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. and f86v4

• RE: Getting close to a source for f85r2

  Rafal > 25-01-2026, 02:07 PM

  Quote:The Ages of Men grouped around a wheel

  
  Would anyone be willing to read the text?
  
  It seems to me that the text gives age ranges:
  Childhood 0-14
  Adolescence 15-24
  Adulthood 25-49
  Maturity? 50-79
  Senility? 80-

• RE: Getting close to a source for f85r2

  Jorge_Stolfi > 25-01-2026, 07:29 PM

  (25-01-2026, 02:07 PM)Rafal Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.It seems to me that the text gives age ranges:
  Childhood 0-14
  Adolescence 15-24
  Adulthood 25-49
  Maturity? 50-79
  Senility? 80-

  
  Here is my guess, squeezing out the last bit of Latin from my tube:
  
  generatio[ne?]
  pue[?]rtita usq[ue] ad an[n]os IX
  adolesce[n]tia a 14 an[n]o usq[ue]? XXVIII a[n]nos
  juue[n]t[ute?] usq[ue] ad XLIX a[n]nos
  vi[ri?[litas a L[esimus] usq[ue] ad LXXIX a[m]uu[m]
  senert[us?] a 80 a[n]no usq[ue] i[n]fie[n??]
  Corruptio
  
  Birth
  Childhood until 9 years old
  Adolescence from year 14 until 29 years
  Youth until 49 years
  Manhood at 50 until year 79 
  Senility from year 80 to infirmity
  Decay
  
  
  All the best, --stolfi

• RE: Getting close to a source for f85r2

  MarcoP > 25-01-2026, 08:01 PM

  I mostly agree, but I think it is "senectus a 80 anno usque in finem" (from year 80 to the end).

• RE: Getting close to a source for f85r2

  DG97EEB > 25-01-2026, 09:04 PM

  (19-01-2026, 03:01 PM)Rafal Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I am not sure if it was shown before
  
  
  
  
  
  Royal MS 19 C I
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  Looking at You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. of this Royal MS, the thought occured to me. What if the nymphs are a secular corruption of the angels?

• RE: Getting close to a source for f85r2

  DG97EEB > 25-01-2026, 09:24 PM

  (25-01-2026, 09:04 PM)DG97EEB Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

  (19-01-2026, 03:01 PM)Rafal Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I am not sure if it was shown before
  
  
  
  
  
  Royal MS 19 C I
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   And btw, You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. contains an Occitan April: second line at the end..    
  Looking at You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. of this Royal MS, the thought occured to me. What if the nymphs are a secular corruption of the angels?

• RE: Getting close to a source for f85r2

  Stefan Wirtz_2 > 25-01-2026, 10:06 PM

  (24-01-2026, 04:49 PM)Bernd Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.[..]
  f31r-Dying man with cane and rosary walking to his grave
  [..]

  
  The VMs details figure is clearly a lady.
  The VMs „rosary“ wears braids and is not even close to a rosary, but much more to wreath.
  The „cane“ of VMS figure is just an assumption: we can see not more than a small piece of it, maybe the handle of a cane, may something completely else (another braid for the „rosary“…?)
  
  We can continue to „see“, what is not there, and not to see, what is there, and continue to make comparisons of parts that are not comparable.
  But I suggest Wysiwyg.
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