I've really racked my brains over this and gone through all the possibilities.
So although ‘umen’ is spoken as one word, it's actually two words. ‘um en’ (um ein).
But if I write ‘vmen’ and put an i dot above the m, I get ‘vinen’, which means (fine).


Ich habe mir da wirklich schon den Kopf zerbrochen und alle Möglichkeiten durchgespielt.
So ist "umen" zwar als ein Wort gesprochen, sind aber eigentlich zwei Worte. "um en" (um ein).
Setze ich aber "vmen" und setze einen i Punkt über das m, so habe ich "vinen" was (feinen) bedeutet.


To come up with a reasonable sentence, I need to know what (xxx-pfer) is supposed to be.

Has no one ever wondered what that strange little figure in the top left corner is supposed to be? With something in the middle that could look like a heart????

It's like something out of a comic, and next to it is something that could almost (!) be interpreted as “art.”

It's all very anachronistic...
   

   
At the moment, I think it's a medieval parody of Santa Claus...isn't it???

(12-12-2025, 09:49 AM)Aga Tentakulus Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.To come up with a reasonable sentence, I need to know what (xxx-pfer) is supposed to be.

You can test it to some extent using a process of elimination. But that's done with ChatGPT, Perplexiti, and Gemini, which I got to check each other. It's just not easy to get the AIs to do that. They immediately start fantasizing about such things; you have to force them very specifically. So the following is based on the premise that it is, of course, incomplete and not necessarily correct. But perhaps it's a starting point.

Starting from fer as the last word: The letter before it cannot be “s,” “t,” or “q” "p" in Latin or German.

pfer
sfer
tfer
qfer
are very unlikely endings in both languages.

So it's probably an “i.”

The letter before it looks like a j (only in German)/ z, t, or a small f. 

jifer doesn't exist.
fifer doesn't exist either.

But zifer does exist – for example, in German “Luzifer”  – but that's it with german. So could it mean Luzifer? Probably not, if you interpret the third and fourth letters as a very widely written z and the first as an “L”, however you interpret it, then with a lot of goodwill – but....

Well, then tifer remains as a possible option: (Many of the other word creations are very contrived, so don't take them too seriously.)

With 2 letters before “tifer”
fatifer    fateful, ominous
letifer    bringing death, deadly
setifer/saetifer bearing bristles, bristly
Vātifer    prophetic, prophetic (not usual)
Pōtifer    bringing drink/beverage (not usual)
Mītifer    bearing mildness/gentleness
Aptifer    suitable/fit (funny, not realistic)
Altifer     the one who bears/raises the height (not realistic )

With 3 letters before “tifer” (visual)
Pectifer    Carrying the breast (unusuall)
Cultifer    Bringing care/processing
Cistifer    Carrying a box/basket
Lactifer    Carrying milk
Noctifer   Bringing night
Scutifer    Carrying a shield, squire
Aestifer    Bringing heat
Salūtifer   Bringing healing
portifer    Carrier, load carrier

With 4 letters before “tifer”
Auritifer  Ear bearing (very rare)
Penitifer  Rod bearing (in anatomical texts)
Vertitifer Turning bearing (very rare, derived from vertito)
Pontifer  Bridge bearing (extremely rare as an adjective, derived from Pontifex)
Aptitifer  Bringing suitability (very rare)
and
mortifer (“bringing death”)

With 5 letters before “tifer”

sagittifer  Arrow-bearing
Prōlētifer  Procreating offspring
Spīritifer  Spirit-bearing

To my understanding, “mortifer” is one of the most likely variants here—but also highly speculative.

Choose one

(12-12-2025, 05:40 PM)JoJo_Jost Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.To my understanding, “mortifer” is one of the most likely variants here—but also highly speculative.

"m" would absolutely need the left side of your "o", and it can't be "o" imo due to the "pox" o. 
They don't do "r" like this. If you want "m" I think you are left with "mit", or it would be "n"+stuff.

The rest is (even more) guesswork, I've seen "ers" look like "f", you just have the "er" abbreviation curve on top of "s", but when its done right in the middle it could equally be "ser".

My reading of "m" was influenced by something else also. I never mentioned as I know people hate small "might just be a weird smudge" things.. but to me it looks like someone wrote "m" under what I read as "m" because it was unclear. Though.. this is also now unclear  

   

The second word is hell, but there might be a small clue. If the last word were actually mortifer (which is anything but certain), then there is a  similarity between the “t” and the first letter in the second word. Then you would have:  t?men / t?rnen / t?rnsn – here, tamen = nevertheless or however would be a possibility.

But that's where it ends with poxleber . I briefly considered Pulver (german) / pulveris, but that doesn't fit.

(12-12-2025, 02:58 PM)JoJo_Jost Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.At the moment, I think it's a medieval parody of Santa Claus...isn't it???

I still think it is what you would see if you lifted a billy goats (image below) tail up.. 
Bit of medieval grotesque humour

(12-12-2025, 11:48 PM)Bluetoes101 Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view."m" would absolutely need the left side of your "o",

The third stroke of an m was occasionally omitted in handwritten manuscripts; one must realize how small the word really is. The stain could also be the cause, of course—I cannot judge that.

I am also uncertain about the “fer” "ser" "rer" etc; I only used it because Aga Tentakulus had written it.

(13-12-2025, 12:00 AM)JoJo_Jost Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The third stroke of an m was occasionally omitted in handwritten manuscripts; one must realize how small the word really is. The stain could also be the cause, of course—I cannot judge that.

It feels unlikely to me. Broken "m"s are pretty common, I'm not sure how common "n" is for "m". Also other marginalia may suggest this was not going on at the time/place. 

(this obviously also goes against my idea of broken "m".. VMS is fun!  )

   

(12-12-2025, 11:55 PM)Bluetoes101 Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I still think it is what you would see if you lifted a billy goats (image below) tail up.. 
Bit of medieval grotesque humour

In fact, goats have their tail up by themselves. That is part of a 'popular' discussion from a few years ago, whether the animals in the Aries pages are sheep or goats (also seen in online video clips of sheep getting angry at people and things in general). 

...Not suggesting to go OT in that direction here...

Maybe this also belongs here.. not on the parts of 116v that has been talked about just, but I stumbled on some items while looking for other things this week. 

I thought this image item was noteworthy for folks thinking "ma ria" rather than "maria"

Also thought the "marcia lis" was interesting, thinking of.. "morix vix".. 

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Another broken up "maria" but this time "mar - ia"