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• RE: Month names collection / metastudy

  eggyk > 31-07-2026, 02:28 PM

  (31-07-2026, 01:58 PM)Pierre Dumont Himself Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The description says "Horae ad usum Mettensem", so it was produced for Metz. [url=https://portail.biblissima.fr/en/ark:/43093/tdata8bf5dafdb0d5252565b17e150e39871c0113e238][/url]

  
  Unfortunately, that doesn't always mean it was written in Metz. They are often written in a different place to where they are expected to be used.
  
  But it does make it more likely it was somewhere in NE france.

• RE: Month names collection / metastudy

  Koen G > 31-07-2026, 03:38 PM

  Nice! I would also cautiously ascribe it to NE France, with a question mark. But like you say, for all we know it may have been produced in Paris or even the Low Countries.
  
  If it was made in Cambrai like the "Heures de Boussu", that's actually the north of France, not NE (I changed it in the file).

• RE: Month names collection / metastudy

  eggyk > 31-07-2026, 04:04 PM

  This has been my general rule of thumb (libraries differ constantly what they consider NE, N, NW to be for certain cities). Often NE just means "near or also in belgium" too. Obviously its not technically correct, but france is a weird shape.
  
  EDIT: put a new map up, i drew the last one wrong lol. Cambrai is basically my border for N and NE france.
  
     

• RE: Month names collection / metastudy

  Koen G > 31-07-2026, 04:22 PM

  Ah, excellent, feel free to change it back then, that's better.

• RE: Month names collection / metastudy

  Koen G > Yesterday, 12:02 PM

  I've been seeing the "Occitan" claim being put forward a couple more times lately (without evidence, as so often). It is important to represent Occitan in our sample. I recall some people have looked into Occitan sequences, are those all part of the spreadsheet already? Any additional ones you can find, even if they don't look like the VM sequence, are handy to expand the sample size.

• RE: Month names collection / metastudy

  eggyk > 9 hours ago

  Yes, I have specifically sought out Occitan examples, but they seem rather rare (or at least I really struggled to find many at all). It was actually the reason that I began also tracking the less interesting latin and german examples in the first place, in order to take sequences blindly from unbiased searches regardless of location. So at least from my side, pretty much any month sequence that i've come across -regardless of language- has been added either to the main sheet or to the 'Less interesting' sheet. 
  
  There are some langue d'oc entries on the list, often indicated by "Aost" for august, although some of those "Aost" sequences seem similar to the langue d'oil sequences too (join, joignet / joing, juglet), so i'm a little uncertain what is what honestly.
  
  I do remember finding out that many occitan manuscripts were written in latin, and that many manuscripts written in occitan dialects were destroyed, which probably isn't helping either..
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