Mark Knowles > 29-12-2022, 10:51 PM
(29-12-2022, 10:41 PM)nablator Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.it is simple enough to have been invented independently.And yet from my understanding you are saying it was only invented once in history in the case of the Voynich manuscript.
nablator > 29-12-2022, 11:30 PM
(29-12-2022, 10:51 PM)Mark Knowles Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.If it is simple enough to not need any historical precedent/influence and therefore in some sense outside of history then I would have thought it would have been invented multiple times in different places and historical periods.If it had a great practical value or if there was no other way to encipher texts it would have been.
R. Sale > 29-12-2022, 11:37 PM
Mark Knowles > 30-12-2022, 02:10 AM
(29-12-2022, 11:30 PM)nablator Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.But if was a superior way to encipher text then surely it would have been very popular. Clearly a cipher as difficult to break as the Voynich cipher would have been preferred to the standard ciphers of that time.(29-12-2022, 10:51 PM)Mark Knowles Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.If it is simple enough to not need any historical precedent/influence and therefore in some sense outside of history then I would have thought it would have been invented multiple times in different places and historical periods.If it had a great practical value or if there was no other way to encipher texts it would have been.
tavie > 30-12-2022, 02:49 AM
(30-12-2022, 02:10 AM)Mark Knowles Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.But if was a superior way to encipher text then surely it would have been very popular. Clearly a cipher as difficult to break as the Voynich cipher would have been preferred to the standard ciphers of that time.
ReneZ > 30-12-2022, 03:45 AM
nablator > 30-12-2022, 09:51 AM
(30-12-2022, 02:10 AM)Mark Knowles Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.A substitution cipher would have been deemed superior (if anyone ever had to choose, which I doubt) because it was secure enough at the time (without computers) and faster to use: with a little practice most symbols could be remembered and there was no need to glance at the key at every letter.(29-12-2022, 11:30 PM)nablator Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.But if was a superior way to encipher text then surely it would have been very popular. Clearly a cipher as difficult to break as the Voynich cipher would have been preferred to the standard ciphers of that time.(29-12-2022, 10:51 PM)Mark Knowles Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.If it is simple enough to not need any historical precedent/influence and therefore in some sense outside of history then I would have thought it would have been invented multiple times in different places and historical periods.If it had a great practical value or if there was no other way to encipher texts it would have been.
Koen G > 30-12-2022, 10:54 AM
(30-12-2022, 09:51 AM)nablator Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.There is an evolutionary gap between substitution ciphers and more advanced ciphers/codes that the Voynich fills nicely.
Aga Tentakulus > 30-12-2022, 11:04 AM
bi3mw > 30-12-2022, 11:21 AM