Anton > 26-11-2022, 07:31 PM
(25-11-2022, 06:23 PM)davidjackson Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I would suggest that, logically, if you can't prove it is Greek, you can't prove it isn't Greek.
Koen G > 26-11-2022, 07:55 PM
davidjackson > 26-11-2022, 09:32 PM
(26-11-2022, 07:31 PM)Anton Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(25-11-2022, 06:23 PM)davidjackson Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I would suggest that, logically, if you can't prove it is Greek, you can't prove it isn't Greek.
There's some fallacy here. Suppose you encounter an unknown animal. You are considering the question of whether it is a cat or not. The animal in question has wings while cats are known to be devoid of wings. Hence you can't prove that it's a cat, while, at the same time, you can prove that it is not a cat.
Anton > 26-11-2022, 11:20 PM
(26-11-2022, 09:32 PM)davidjackson Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.What? If you can prove it's not a cat, case closed, because the two situations are mutually incompatible.
Ruby Novacna > 11-12-2022, 03:53 PM
nablator > 12-12-2022, 04:10 PM
(26-11-2022, 10:25 AM)Ruby Novacna Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.If you had a consistent way of converting Voynichese to Greek it would help a lot in this discussion, even if it is a long list of either do this or that (several possibilities).(25-11-2022, 10:41 PM)nablator Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Do you have all the possible substitutions written down somewhere?Writing all the possible substitutions seems difficult, it would be feasible for a computer program. However, the substitutions I currently use are presented on the Word List page of my blog.
pfeaster > 12-12-2022, 05:30 PM
(11-12-2022, 03:53 PM)Ruby Novacna Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Although I find many of the words readable in Greek, the combinations of the glyphs pch - ph=f and kch- nk are written in the Latin way.
Ruby Novacna > 12-12-2022, 05:49 PM
(12-12-2022, 04:10 PM)nablator Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.If you had a consistent way of converting Voynichese to Greek it would help a lot in this discussion, even if it is a long list of either do this or that (several possibilities).At the moment I don't claim to be able to read the whole text, but I always explain what value I give to the glyphs, as in my previous message.
(12-12-2022, 04:10 PM)nablator Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I have tried several times to figure out how you do it from the words on your blog and here and failed.What word did you fail to read?
Ruby Novacna > 12-12-2022, 06:58 PM
(12-12-2022, 05:30 PM)pfeaster Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The points others have raised about entropy and so forth are relevant, but let's try a different approach.Unfortunately or fortunately for us, we cannot ignore the fact that the entropy of our text is lower than that of a "normal" text. I am not a mathematician, I just understand that the degree of disorder of our text is lower, and that it would be unwise for us to compare without understanding what we are comparing with.
According to You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view., the twelve most common words in a large sample corpus of Greek texts -- together with their token counts in it -- are:
καὶ ["and"] 4129066
δὲ ["but"] 1501550
τὸ ["the"] 1414996
τοῦ ["the"] 1140938
τῶν ["the"] 1051317
τὴν ["the"] 993011
τῆς ["the"] 849596
ὁ ["the"] 831492
ἐν ["in"] 795289
γὰρ ["because"] 687117
τὸν ["the"] 679309
τὰ ["the"] 627063
(12-12-2022, 05:30 PM)pfeaster Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Meanwhile, we could also compare the results we get by applying particular forms of analysis to known negative cases -- that is, cases in which we know that a script does not match a given language. So, for instance, we might test the hypothesis that modern Slovenian is a system for writing modern Turkish. What happens if we look at the vocabulary of Slovenian and see if we can find matching Turkish words?I don't quite understand your example, are you trying to show that languages belonging to different families can have homophones?
Slovenian [biti] = Turkish [biti], "his louse"
...
Slovenian [ne] = Turkish [ne], "what"
... and so forth
(12-12-2022, 05:30 PM)pfeaster Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.This seems to be working pretty well. So should we conclude that we're probably on the right track?If not, why not?
If not, why not?
nablator > 12-12-2022, 07:41 PM
(12-12-2022, 05:49 PM)Ruby Novacna Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.What word did you fail to read?