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RE: Protein analysis from eraser crumbs
Morten St. George > 24-01-2018, 08:11 PM
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Quote: Does this mean that we are counting on the honesty and integrity of the Skull and Bones Society, which, according to Wikipedia, "plays a role in a global conspiracy for world control"?
I'm not sure what you mean by that, but I'm sure you aren't casting aspersions upon the Beinecke library or Dr Zyats.
I went back and added the smiley that I forgot to do when I pasted it in.
But, yes, for the moment I am rejecting the conclusion that the Voynich parchment comes from cow. Apparently, the bioarchaeologists never had sight of the Voynich manuscirpt, so their findings lack scientific rigor.
Please note that this plea for scientific rigor comes from the author of You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. presenting "page after page of evidence that the Earth was visited by an alien astronaut during the sixth century". -
RE: Protein analysis from eraser crumbs
Morten St. George > 24-01-2018, 08:18 PM
(24-01-2018, 08:11 PM)Morten St. George Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
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Quote: Does this mean that we are counting on the honesty and integrity of the Skull and Bones Society, which, according to Wikipedia, "plays a role in a global conspiracy for world control"?
I'm not sure what you mean by that, but I'm sure you aren't casting aspersions upon the Beinecke library or Dr Zyats.
I went back and added the smiley that I forgot to do when I pasted it in.
But, yes, for the moment I am rejecting the conclusion that the Voynich parchment comes from cow. Apparently, the bioarchaeologists never had sight of the Voynich manuscirpt, so their findings lack scientific rigor.
Please note that this plea for scientific rigor comes from the author of You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. presenting "page after page of evidence that the Earth was visited by an alien astronaut during the sixth century".
It was nice to see that someone bothered to take a look at my website. But he failed to mention some of my more radical findings, such as the one about William Shakespeare having possession of the Voynich MS in the 16th century and succeeding in decoding some of it.
An introduction to that topic can be found here:
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RE: Protein analysis from eraser crumbs
davidjackson > 24-01-2018, 09:11 PM
Please keep this discussion on topic, thanks. -
RE: Protein analysis from eraser crumbs
Morten St. George > 24-01-2018, 10:34 PM
(24-01-2018, 09:11 PM)davidjackson Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Please keep this discussion on topic, thanks.
Sorry
We Discipuluses are just learning our way around. I think Shakespeare would probably belong over in the Provenance and History section, not sure about 16th century decoding of the VMS but no hurry on that.
This section here worked out great for me. I got the information on cow protein that I signed up to get. Many thanks. -
RE: Protein analysis from eraser crumbs
Morten St. George > 03-02-2018, 07:01 PM
(22-01-2018, 07:17 PM)ReneZ Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
(22-01-2018, 04:33 AM)Morten St. George Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Does anyone know if they randomly selected the pages to test upon arrival at the library, or were the pages pre-selected by the Beineke Library?
The samples were taken by a conservator in Yale (Paula Zyats), and sent to York for analysis.
Selection was done based on recommendations from various people with a final decision by someone in Yale.
My interaction was with Paula Zyats, but the coordination of the various forensic tests was with Aniko Bezur of Yale.
Note that Yale University has several libraries, so certain services (like conservation) are not with the Beinecke, but with Yale, serving all libraries.
This is the latest correspondence:
Dear Mr St.George
Thank you for your email. Back in 2014 we were given the opportunity to analyse 12 folios from the Voynich manuscript using our new non-invasive sampling technique and using peptide mass fingerprinting we were able to identify 11 folios as being made from calf parchment (one sample did not contain sufficient data to give any identification). We do not have marsh deer in our own database, so cannot categorically disprove your theory, however we do have many other examples from the Cervidae family (red deer, roe deer, fallow deer, etc) and they have very different markers to those from bovids (i.e. cow). All the samples we analysed had clear cow markers so we are confident in this identification.
A recent publication titled The Voynich Manuscript, published in 2016 by Yale University Press, Ray Clemens, Ed.. contains all the results of all analytical testing completed up to that point.
I hope this information helps.
Kind regards,
Sarah
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Dear Ms. Fiddyment,
Many thanks for responding to my email inquiry.
After writing to you, it came to my attention that handwriting experts have determined that five or six different people wrote the Voynich MS, which leads me to believe that the current-day manuscript is an exact duplicate of the original marsh-deer manuscript, probably made on alpaca parchment.
But none of that should concern you. I'm sure you do excellent work and I have full confidence in your results.
All the best,
Morten
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I find it hard to believe that five or six different people could all do flawless original writing (general lack of write-overs, cross-outs or insertions). Our VMS is likely a copy of earlier writings. -
RE: Protein analysis from eraser crumbs
-JKP- > 03-02-2018, 08:05 PM
There are many small errors and a number of corrected errors in the VMS. At one point I started documenting them and realized there were so many, I didn't have time.
Also, you should take a look at some of the work of Jewish scribes who copied out Torah scrolls. It was not permitted to make mistakes. They are very painstaking in their work. -
RE: Protein analysis from eraser crumbs
Morten St. George > 04-02-2018, 12:15 AM
(03-02-2018, 08:05 PM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.There are many small errors and a number of corrected errors in the VMS. At one point I started documenting them and realized there were so many, I didn't have time.
Also, you should take a look at some of the work of Jewish scribes who copied out Torah scrolls. It was not permitted to make mistakes. They are very painstaking in their work.
I believe I did see some of those Torah scrolls in connection with an article on the use of deer-skin parchment. Lots of medieval illuminated manuscripts also look flawless.
What if Cathars escaped to the rainforest around 1250, made the VMS drawings on deer parchment and then returned to Europe, perhaps between 1350 and 1400, perhaps hiding among the Cabalists in Spain or Provence? Then, after 1400, with the original manuscript of marsh deer starting to fade, Torah scribes could have made an exact copy using cows for parchment. Such a scenario seems highly unlikely, but it would fit all the evidence including cow protein.
I have been reluctant to propose that some of the descendants of Cathars / Cabalists, who fled to the rainforest around 1250, could have returned to the Old World prior to 1400 for the following reason: the ocean currents from the Caribbean are running the wrong way. It is much easier for a small boat to get from Europe to northern South America than the other way around.
But there is another possibility. They could have sailed down the Amazon River and out to sea, where they might have caught a counter current over to Africa. The esoteric literature mentions the city of Fez in Morocco and the city of Safed in Israel. Can cows be found in those places?
Conclusion: It is theoretically possible for the VMS to depict the Amazon Rainforest and yet be written on cow parchment. But keep in mind there is other evidence linking the VMS to the Incas, which is why it is so important to verify the parchment animal beyond any doubts. I'm suggesting allowing a dermatology expert to have a look at it. -
RE: Protein analysis from eraser crumbs
VViews > 09-01-2021, 01:44 PM
Hi Rene,
In light of the current discussion in the crowd-funding thread, do you have any details about which pages the 12 samples were taken from?
As I remember there are stains on the first and last page, which are posited to have been left by the original cover (wood covered in animal skin).
Could an eraser-crumb analysis of these stains be possible? Might it yield some info about the animal used for the original binding? Could this information be more specific than just "cow"? -
RE: Protein analysis from eraser crumbs
ReneZ > 09-01-2021, 03:17 PM
H VViews,
in fact I don't know. I just recommended to include the same sheets (bifolios) that were analysed by C-14 dating and the chemical analyses by McCrone, in order to be able to correlate results at some future time.