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Getting close to a source for f85r2
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RE: Getting close to a source for f85r2
Koen G > 25-01-2026, 10:20 PM
Can someone read what it has for October? -
RE: Getting close to a source for f85r2
davidma > 25-01-2026, 10:52 PM
(25-01-2026, 10:20 PM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Can someone read what it has for October?
I am trying to read it as well but it seems some times the months names aren't there. Also it starts with mars like the VM zodiac funnily enough. Is that a common thing for Occitan zodiacs? -
RE: Getting close to a source for f85r2
Rafal > 25-01-2026, 11:02 PM
Quote:Here is my guess, squeezing out the last bit of Latin from my tube:
generatio[ne?]
pue[?]rtita usq[ue] ad an[n]os IX
adolesce[n]tia a 14 an[n]o usq[ue]? XXVIII a[n]nos
juue[n]t[ute?] usq[ue] ad XLIX a[n]nos
vi[ri?[litas a L[esimus] usq[ue] ad LXXIX a[m]uu[m]
senert[us?] a 80 a[n]no usq[ue] i[n]fie[n??]
Corruptio
Thanks. I believe numbers are a bit different however:
Notice that the scribe mixes freely Arabic and Roman numbers.
That was the Zeitgeist of the early 1400s
We must remember about it considering Voynichese to be a kind of cipher.
He writes "4" as Voynichese "L" and "5" as modern "4" which is quite typical for that period, I believe. -
RE: Getting close to a source for f85r2
davidma > 25-01-2026, 11:05 PM
(25-01-2026, 10:52 PM)davidma Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
(25-01-2026, 10:20 PM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Can someone read what it has for October?
I am trying to read it as well but it seems some times the months names aren't there. Also it starts with mars like the VM zodiac funnily enough. Is that a common thing for Occitan zodiacs?
Tentative months name list:
Mars
Abril
May
[...]
Iull
Aost
Setembre
Octhoyre (?)
Nouembre
Dezembre
[...]
Feurier -
RE: Getting close to a source for f85r2
davidma > 25-01-2026, 11:12 PM
From the 12 month zodiac drawing at the end of the section:
Ginier
Febrier
Marg
Abrial
Maŷ
Umiz? Not sure
Uili
Aost
Setembre
Othoyre
Nouembre
Dezembre -
RE: Getting close to a source for f85r2
DG97EEB > 25-01-2026, 11:21 PM
(25-01-2026, 10:20 PM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Can someone read what it has for October?
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (with the usual AI caveats)just above the picture of Scorpios.. I can't post an image for some reason
Line 1: e soleilhs en lo [...] signe
Translation: "And the Sun in the [8th/Scorpio] sign"
Line 2: [v]enos freg e maligne
Translation: "[Venomous], cold and malignant" (Referencing the qualities of Scorpio/Winter).
Correction: The word is likely freg (cold), not "firg".
Line 3: [l]o mes doctobre fay son torn
Translation: "The month of October makes its turn"
Note: The ct ligature in doctobre is distinct. fay (or fau) son torn indicates the changing of the month/cycle.
Line 4: [s]us en lo detzseten iorn
Translation: "Upon the seventeenth day." -
RE: Getting close to a source for f85r2
davidma > 25-01-2026, 11:37 PM
(25-01-2026, 11:21 PM)DG97EEB Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
(25-01-2026, 10:20 PM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Can someone read what it has for October?
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (with the usual AI caveats)just above the picture of Scorpios.. I can't post an image for some reason
Line 1: e soleilhs en lo [...] signe
Translation: "And the Sun in the [8th/Scorpio] sign"
Line 2: [v]enos freg e maligne
Translation: "[Venomous], cold and malignant" (Referencing the qualities of Scorpio/Winter).
Correction: The word is likely freg (cold), not "firg".
Line 3: [l]o mes doctobre fay son torn
Translation: "The month of October makes its turn"
Note: The ct ligature in doctobre is distinct. fay (or fau) son torn indicates the changing of the month/cycle.
Line 4: [s]us en lo detzseten iorn
Translation: "Upon the seventeenth day."
Full passage:
El Scorpios es per semblant
L'octaus signes nominatz per tant
Quar ayssi cum le Scorpios
Es fort poubens e verenos
Ayssi mezeys ses doubte l'an
Quan le soleylhs van declinan
En lo dig signe desshenden
Quar adonc ges l'ayres non pren
Del soleylh pro bastan calor
Quant a nos donc ab la freior
Nos ponh en dona lezio
A manieyra de Scorpio
Le soleylh en lo dig signe
Verenos freg e maligne
Le mes d'othoyre fay son torn
Sus en lo dezeseten iorn. -
RE: Getting close to a source for f85r2
DG97EEB > 25-01-2026, 11:41 PM
(25-01-2026, 10:20 PM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Can someone read what it has for October?
(25-01-2026, 11:37 PM)davidma Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
(25-01-2026, 11:21 PM)DG97EEB Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
(25-01-2026, 10:20 PM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Can someone read what it has for October?
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (with the usual AI caveats)just above the picture of Scorpios.. I can't post an image for some reason
Line 1: e soleilhs en lo [...] signe
Translation: "And the Sun in the [8th/Scorpio] sign"
Line 2: [v]enos freg e maligne
Translation: "[Venomous], cold and malignant" (Referencing the qualities of Scorpio/Winter).
Correction: The word is likely freg (cold), not "firg".
Line 3: [l]o mes doctobre fay son torn
Translation: "The month of October makes its turn"
Note: The ct ligature in doctobre is distinct. fay (or fau) son torn indicates the changing of the month/cycle.
Line 4: [s]us en lo detzseten iorn
Translation: "Upon the seventeenth day."
Full passage:
El Scorpios es per semblant
L'octaus signes nominatz per tant
Quar ayssi cum le Scorpios
Es fort poubens e verenos
Ayssi mezeys ses doubte l'an
Quan le soleylhs van declinan
En lo dig signe desshenden
Quar adonc ges l'ayres non pren
Del soleylh pro bastan calor
Quant a nos donc ab la freior
Nos ponh en dona lezio
A manieyra de Scorpio
Le soleylh en lo dig signe
Verenos freg e maligne
Le mes d'othoyre fay son torn
Sus en lo dezeseten iorn.
Very good... Better than Gemini
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RE: Getting close to a source for f85r2
MarcoP > 26-01-2026, 12:36 AM
XXVIII 28 (three dots mark the three Is)