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  -JKP- > 13-07-2020, 11:23 PM

  There are numerous places in the VMS where the y glyph is at the beginning of a vord.
  
  There are also numerous places where the q glyph is at the beginning.
  
  Sometimes there is a glyph that resembles the Latin letter "q". It has a rounded front and straight descender. It is sometimes transliterated as y. It is sometimes transliterated as q if it is followed by "o".
  
  
  I have often wondered if this "q" glyph is a slip by the scribe (maybe the scribe was thinking "q" and accidentally wrote it out of habit). I have also wondered if it is a separate glyph (an uncommon one). It sometimes also occurs at the ends of words, in the position where we often see y.
  
  Here is a piece of evidence (not very strong evidence since this is rare) that mystery-q MIGHT be a separate glyph. This vord includes both the mystery-q and the [font=Eva]y[/font] written as one vord ( You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. line 11):
  
     

• RE: EVA-y and mystery character

  Anton > 13-07-2020, 11:40 PM

  This difference between "rounded" and "angular" may be explained by that the q is a superposition of a c-like shape and a vertical. We discussed that in the "decomposition" thread. So when the scribe follows the superposition literally, a rounded-q results, while when he "forgets" about the composition and treats it as a shape on its own, an angular-q is produced. So, two graphical varieties of the same thing.
  
  Regarding f58v. Good example in respect of multipass. I consider the two y shapes to be parts of two blocks. The left one is the last symbol in the line of one block (column), while the right one is the first symbol of the line in another block (column).
  
  At a glance it seems that there are more than two columns in this folio.

• RE: EVA-y and mystery character

  -JKP- > 13-07-2020, 11:50 PM

  Here's a bigger clip so it can be seen in context (the context isn't big enough to see block patterns, but at least it gives a slightly wider shot):
  
     

• RE: EVA-y and mystery character

  Monica Yokubinas > 13-07-2020, 11:53 PM

  Look carefully at the g glyph at the end. 
  Some are open and some are closed and produce 2 unique sounds. One has a darker upside down u shape with a tail and the other is a closed g shape. 
  q in the front is a Kof. 
  Qch which i always thought was strength from biblical Hebrew, was found in the Aramaic Incantation Texts from Nippur book as a recipe. 
  been reworking some of my stuff and found. 
  Anyways, look carefully at the g at the end. you will notice the open and closed glyph.

• RE: EVA-y and mystery character

  -JKP- > 14-07-2020, 02:10 AM

  One of my transcripts records the different y glyphs, but it's a lot of work and I never made it all the way through the manuscript.
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