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RE: A new Theory about Voynich MS
raven > 15-08-2019, 12:50 PM
(15-08-2019, 12:30 PM)Linda Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
(15-08-2019, 09:48 AM)raven Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
(10-08-2019, 05:10 PM)Linda Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I think that since "its coming soon" video is later than the other two, that the other two are not part of the English presentations thereof, so we are to wait for the translated versions to be posted.
Yes... I can speak on camera. At that time everything will be quickly. Because cutting or prepairing videos taking time.
But if i speak on camera directly, you can not understand my english 
My Pronunciation is very bad. I t won't be scientific; it will be comic.
No problem i think you did well with the preview. I could not understand the others.
Others in Turkish! Only the first video has subtitles. First time in my life I'm prepairing videos and first time I'm uploading youtube. I'm not a youtuber; I'm a history teacher. But today if you want to anounced something; you must use social media. It is a reality. This is for this. Thank you for your like the preview. -
RE: A new Theory about Voynich MS
Gavin Güldenpfennig > 15-08-2019, 12:56 PM
I have seen your video about folio 1r.
The eagle (or may be even dragon) and the serpent are symbols of "good and evil". They are normally fighting against each each other like they do for example in the crest of Mexico. But it does not necessarily mean, that the manuscript is from that origin. No, in Gobekli Tepe you can see an eagle or hawk trying to conjure a serpent. Furthermore in the Basque Culture you have the god "Maju/Sugar". He is described as a dragon or a serpent. Sugar (male serpent) is his first (male) manifestation. Maju (etymologically unclear, may the dragon) maybe is his female manifestation.
I would also say, that I´m not sure with my reading of the VMS, but for me there are several points you have to connect with Navarra.
1. The word "olabidas" which is written on the page 116v. (= Olabidea is a small river in Navarra)
2. The bathing women or goddesses which are labeled as "opoik ojanoja" (meaning: swimming goddesses --- "boyar" (spanish: to swim) and "jainkosa" (Basque: goddess)). They remember us at the "lamiak", the nymphs of the Basque Mythology.
3. Then you have berets de Basque on the Roman calendar pages. Some of them in red (red is the color for Navarra).
4. Folio 57 v, the Celtic looking calendar, which gives us month names connected with the Basque and Spanish language. (For example "arrosa" and "zur" (meanings: rose and forest))
5. In 1435 Romani people (gypsies) entered the Basque Country and caused a unique language which today is called "Erromintxela". From 1466 to 1611 the gypsies and the witches and wizards from the Basque region were haunted by the Inquisition.
So you have the connection to the time frame, in which the manuscript was "lost" and you have symbolic connections and language connections from the VMS to the Basque country.
Since yesterday maybe I have a translation of page 116 v.
It´s not clear which form of Latin is used here and there some French and German words in it, but it tells us a very important fact about the manuscript, if it is right and also describes the manuscript itself ("poxleder umen"). At it seems, somebody had found it and maybe cracked some parts of it, so he was able to use Voynich words for the 116v sentences. -
RE: A new Theory about Voynich MS
raven > 15-08-2019, 01:30 PM
Firstly thank you for your valuable throughts. The discussion is brother with development. I know; you are true. The eagle and serpent sembolism used from the egyptian. Especially the the serpent sembolism as old as human history. In the first video ı was only tryed to make simple determination. Now friend; don't think your theory or my theory. May be all of two theory be wrong! Only look VMS. By only looking VMS, can we say;
- These symbols were important for cultural origin!
- These symbols may be pictorgams or dieograms! (can we say: "no way"?)
- These symbols must be linked with the book's subjects (because in this book, in the beginning, in the preface)
I only said these. These must be accepted by all objektice eyes. On the other hand, of course ı have an idea about this; like you... But ı didn't say them. I was tryed only simple determinations. In the next a few video ı will do it again. Than I'm going to tell my theory on these determinations. You say; the nude women are goddess. You are true. I think so too. But we must make this determination. I saw a lot of theory says that pages are for woman's sexual illnes!!! A lot of theory didn't make this determination! Firstly we must read the drawings and make determinations about;
- Writer
- Cultural origin,
- Geographical origin,
- Language origin...
It is very important. Because a theory about VMS must answer all of determination. But usually some people say "I solvad it". When ı hear this I'm looking for this points in his/her theory, but there is no answer. Usually the people only look text. These analyses videos for this goal. After analyses ı will put my theories videos about F1r. Of course that's not all I'm going to say. At that time we can disscus and you can help me with your opinion and critism. Thank you for your writing again. Have a nice day! -
RE: A new Theory about Voynich MS
Gavin Güldenpfennig > 15-08-2019, 02:18 PM
(15-08-2019, 01:30 PM)raven Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Only look VMS. By only looking VMS, can we say:
- These symbols were important for cultural origin!
- These symbols may be pictorgams or dieograms! (can we say: "no way"?)
- These symbols must be linked with the book's subjects (because in this book, in the beginning, in the preface)
You say, the nude women are goddess. You are true. I think so too. But we must make this determination. I saw a lot of theory says that pages are for woman's sexual illnes!!! A lot of theory didn't make this determination! Firstly we must read the drawings and make determinations about:
- Writer
- Cultural origin,
- Geographical origin,
- Language origin...
It is very important. Because a theory about VMS must answer all of determination. But usually some people say "I solvad it". When ı hear this I'm looking for this points in his/her theory, but there is no answer. Usually the people only look text. These analyses videos for this goal. After analyses ı will put my theories videos about F1r. Of course that's not all I'm going to say. At that time we can disscus and you can help me with your opinion and critism. Thank you for your writing again. Have a nice day!
Yes, you´re right, we should agree with you determination, the symbols and drawing led us to the origin, not the text by itself, because, we can´t read it. Or at least the most people can´t. And nobody knows who reads it correct. Even I do think, that I can´t read it completely.
And to the nude women... of course there are some cultures with nymphs or something like this, like the Greeks for example, but in VMS they have berets de Basque or at least "sorginak hats". Maybe I´m wrong, but for me it´s seems to be possible. -
RE: A new Theory about Voynich MS
raven > 15-08-2019, 02:30 PM
Yes! I agree with you too. If we can't read the text, we must look drawings and make determinations. Like a Charlie Chaplin movie! Wtihout speak voice; only with pictures. You are true my friend. Firstly we must agree with on determinations. In this step you will be my light, ı will be your or another person will be us... Your ideas/determinations are interesting. I will investigate them. May name is Ahmet Barış Kestel nice to meet you. -
RE: A new Theory about Voynich MS
Searcher > 15-08-2019, 04:17 PM
O, I already like you, Ahmet! -
RE: A new Theory about Voynich MS
Koen G > 15-08-2019, 05:56 PM
Such peaceful community *proud moderator* -
RE: A new Theory about Voynich MS
bi3mw > 26-08-2019, 01:39 PM
Hello raven,
It would be better if the subtitles ( and images ) were shown longer. In my opinion, one could then read it more easily and at the same time follow the image sequences. -
RE: A new Theory about Voynich MS
ReneZ > 26-08-2019, 08:32 PM
One thing is a pity.
You say that you expect that people are probably not ready to accept it.
In the video, you also say that this is because perhaps they don't have an open mind.
For me, that is a bad start. It is better to present your evidence first, and then draw a conclusion.
Over the last 100 years, thousands of people have looked at the Voynich MS. A number of these people are very knowledgeable about historical documents from all over the world.
Their opinions are very important, and tell us a lot about what the Voynich MS can be.