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• RE: Portolan Map Possibilities: F84v: Lakes near Rome & f77r Adriatic Sea far shore

  Linda > 23-05-2026, 09:23 PM

  F84v: Lakes near Rome & You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. Adriatic Sea far shore.
  
  

• RE: Portolan Map Possibilities: F77v: Aegean Sea & f78r Lesbos

  Linda > 23-05-2026, 09:29 PM

  F78v & f81r: Sea of Marmora
  
  

• RE: Portolan Map Possibilities

  Jimmy123 > 04-06-2026, 10:14 AM

  One thing I would like to add, is that the Greek word "metropolis", which means "city", is composed of "metro/meter" which means mother, and "polis" which means town.
  
  Therefore your idea that the women standing in the containers represent cities, like in the portolan map of Catalan where there are container looking cities, suddenly makes a lot of sense. It would make a great way of encoding the information that it is in fact a map with cities.

• RE: Portolan Map Possibilities

  Jimmy123 > 05-06-2026, 01:48 PM

  Speaking about Spanish maps, and navigation, maybe this is interesting, too. Although a bit later than 15th Century.
  
     
  
  If you look closer at the concept, there are some weird coincidences:
  
     
  
     
  
  But I am known to make stupid comparisons, so don't take it so seriously.

• RE: Portolan Map Possibilities

  Linda > 05-06-2026, 05:38 PM

  (04-06-2026, 10:14 AM)Jimmy123 Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.One thing I would like to add, is that the Greek word "metropolis", which means "city", is composed of "metro/meter" which means mother, and "polis" which means town.
  
  Therefore your idea that the women standing in the containers represent cities, like in the portolan map of Catalan where there are container looking cities, suddenly makes a lot of sense. It would make a great way of encoding the information that it is in fact a map with cities.

  
  Thank you for your post! While I do use city names, the areas represented by the figures seem to be more like provinces in some cases, (many of them today share the names of those cities) and in that way, also covers the areas between each city named. 
  
  Those circular walled items in the Catalan map remind me of the containers in the Zodiac section of the vms. I guess they are Cresques Abraham's thing, as I don't think they occur in the Majorcan tradition before him. 
  
  The Naples Chart is thought to be one of his, and includes these icons as well
  
  

• RE: Portolan Map Possibilities

  Linda > 06-06-2026, 04:47 PM

  (05-06-2026, 01:48 PM)Jimmy123 Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Speaking about Spanish maps, and navigation, maybe this is interesting, too. Although a bit later than 15th Century.
  
  If you look closer at the concept, there are some weird coincidences:
  
  But I am known to make stupid comparisons, so don't take it so seriously.

  
  Well, I can't agree, simply because the iconography of the vms examples mean something else to me, tubes are rivers or throughways across larger bodies of water, and containers which nymphs can stand in or recline on are generally bays. 
  
  After seeing your post yesterday I was looking at that Cresques Abraham map and realized it seems to show the item at the top of f82r, which I already thought was a river system that gets you to the Baltic Sea. As you can see there is a M shaped section top right of the Naples Chart where the leftmost arm connects to the Baltic Sea at St. Petersberg.
  
  This example that you have shown is to me the continuation of that, and from St. Petersburg, where the blue nymph is, it says to go straight through the body of water and ignore the open areas to the north or south. If you look at a real map of the Baltic Sea, you can see this would be good advice, as you would approach the opposite shore and follow it past  Denmark, where there are various straits, but easiest to keep following the shore through the Øresund strait. 
  
  The strait is called Øresund in Danish (and Norwegian), and Öresund in Swedish, informally Sundet[10] (lit. 'the Strait') in all three languages. The first part of the name is øre "gravel/sand beach", and the second part is sund, i.e. "sound, strait".
  
  
  
  This is shown in the iconography by showing the silt mixed in with the water sprays. 
  
  Then, travel through the Skaggerat strait, where one will eventually reach the north sea, where one will need skillful navigation in order to travel safely. This is warned by the compass rose figure. 
  
  The best bet now is to follow the Danish shore around and towards south, where one can keep following the shoreline of western Europe. This is indicated by the straight line. The real line of the shore is not as straight, but since we are sailing, it is straighter than it would seem by looking at the shore. 
  
  
  
  Then there will be a 180 degree circular route to follow the Bay of Biscay, indicated by the turn in the line. It is a 180 but not at the angle of reality from the initial straight line, so therefore doesn't look like the shoreline. However saying it in words to describe the line, it results in a correct path. 
  
  The a curved shoreline to Lisbon from there. The nymph is lying down in a triangle shaped bay, that is correctly positioned if seen from a 45 degree angle counter clockwise. Lisbon is at the center river on the map of Portugal/Spain on the map of western Europe, looks like lips on a face, although today it has silted in somewhat and the wide opening is now thinned.
  
  
  
  This is the conclusion of the trip around Europe, it began with the Sagres peninsula just below it, on f76v.
  
  I don't think the nymph is dead, I think she is sleeping after returning home. I am not sure of the star, I guess I kind of took it as a marker, like x marks the spot, except it is a star. Like a "you are here" dot on a map inside a building. Or as an expressive endpoint, as in, this is the end and beginning of the journey we just went on.

• RE: Portolan Map Possibilities

  Linda > Yesterday, 08:45 PM

  (19-06-2026, 10:38 PM)Aga Tentakulus Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(I moved it to my own thread from the anatomy discussion)
  
  
  
  Wow it even has something analogous to the join at Bolzano of the Adige and the Eisack. 
  
  So, if you can see that the brain slice looks like the Alps, what do you think of this looking like the Alps:
  
  
  
  
  
  Haha too funny, I took a break, since then you wrote this:
  
  [quote="Aga Tentakulus" pid='86074' dateline='1781959384']
  You can laugh now.
  The part of the brain that I referred to as the Alps is the armadillo in the VM.
  It roughly corresponds to the drawing, and only this would make sense in terms of its position and medicine.

  
  I am happy someone else can see the Alps, but I am trying to understand how the duality with the brain image works, do you have a narrative to explain this?
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