(30-01-2019, 11:48 PM)Gavin Güldenpfennig Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.With my method the sentence with your example totally makes sense:
In English it would be:
"The boa sets fire on / ignites the rustling foot."
Well, this is a great example of meaningfulness, just like "red leaves are annoying leaf and leaf".
Honestly, I also love most of Yokubinas' creations, like "Every morning take advantage of this preserved, to be smashed."
I am not surprised that you like your output more than hers: that's a matter of taste. The important thing is that you both successfully produced grammatical English from Voynichese. Eureka!
Vitally, things must be done in steps: in each step, you twist things a little, so that each single twisting can go unnoticed, but the final sum or all changes is enough to arrive at the desired result.
For instance, in your You are not allowed to view links.
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Login to view. example, you have three occurrences of chol in the starting sequence
chol...chol...chol
The first is handled differently in
2. Latinised Voynichese:
iroja...hoja...hoja
the third is treated differently in
5. English translation:
red...leaf...flower
You start with a single word and you end up with three different words. Clever!
Actually, most of the work is done in the transition from 2 to 3, which (being "a medieval version of [a dead] language written by an uneducated person") is mostly obscure.
Levenshtein distance between the two steps is 28: more than 40% of the text was changed between the two steps. For example, this English sentence has the same edit distance from step 2 as step 3:
nirfeor_iry_eaink_hinoy_txirig_eorr_iroja_eank_eorr_hoja_horr_hoja_nioja
No fear: I reink history. Tiring. Err, reload and err. Hoax or hoax, ninja!
But let's focus on the most important word in your 2v example. The edit distance between the two 7-characters long words
nirfeor and
nenufar is 5. More than 70% of the original word was altered.
This is considerably worse than the example by Yokubinas I discussed (she has a distance of 3 on a 6 characters long word: 50%).
Here is a totally incomplete sample of some English words which are as close or closer to 'nirfeor' than 'nenufar'.
** Best matches at the bottom: scroll down...
Code:
TIMED 5 ORDERS 5 FROG 5
TIME 5 ORDEAL 5 FRIEND 5
TILES 5 ORATORY 5 FREELY 5
TIGERS 5 ORATORS 5 FREE 5
TIES 5 OR 5 FOUR 5
TIED 5 OLDER 5 FORMED 5
TIE 5 OFFERS 5 FORM 5
TIDES 5 OFFEND 5 FORGET 5
TIDE 5 NUMBERS 5 FOREST 5
THROW 5 NOW 5 FORCES 5
THREW 5 NOVELS 5 FORCE 5
THREE 5 NOTION 5 FOOT 5
THREAD 5 NOTED 5 FOOD 5
THIRTEEN 5 NOTE 5 FOE 5
THEORY 5 NOT 5 FLOWER 5
THEIR 5 NOSES 5 FLOW 5
TERRORS 5 NOSE 5 FLOOR 5
TERMED 5 NORTHERN 5 FIXED 5
TENDER 5 NORTH 5 FIVE 5
TEAR 5 NOON 5 FITTED 5
SWEAR 5 NONE 5 FIRST 5
SURVEY 5 NON 5 FIRMLY 5
SUREST 5 NOISE 5 FINE 5
SURELY 5 NOBLEST 5 FILLED 5
SURE 5 NOBLES 5 FIERY 5
SUMMER 5 NOBLE 5 FIELD 5
SUFFERER 5 NO 5 FEW 5
STREETS 5 NINTH 5 FEVER 5
STREET 5 NINETEEN 5 FELT 5
SPREAD 5 NIGHTS 5 FEET 5
SPEAR 5 NIGHT 5 FEEL 5
SORROW 5 NEXT 5 FEED 5
SORCERY 5 NEWS 5 FED 5
SORCERER 5 NEW 5 FATHER 5
SOONER 5 NET 5 FARTHER 5
SIZE 5 NEST 5 FAR 5
SIXTEEN 5 NERVOUS 5 FAIR 5
SITE 5 NEPHEW 5 ENTIRELY 5
SISTERS 5 NEIGHBOUR 5 ENTER 5
SINNERS 5 NEIGHBORS 5 EMPEROR 5
SINCE 5 NEEDY 5 DROP 5
SIMILAR 5 NEEDED 5 DRIED 5
SILKEN 5 NEED 5 DREW 5
SIGNET 5 NECK 5 DRESS 5
SIGHED 5 NEC 5 DOOR 5
SIEGES 5 NEAREST 5 DOCTOR 5
SIDES 5 NAVIES 5 DIES 5
SIDE 5 NAVEL 5 DIED 5
SHOWER 5 NAVE 5 DIE 5
SERVES 5 NATION 5 DEFEND 5
SERVED 5 NAMES 5 DEER 5
SERVE 5 NAMELY 5 DEAR 5
SERPENT 5 NAMED 5 DARE 5
SERMON 5 NAME 5 DANGER 5
SERIES 5 NAKED 5 CURRENT 5
SAFETY 5 MURDERS 5 CURE 5
SAFEST 5 MOTHER 5 CRUEL 5
SAFELY 5 MORES 5 CROP 5
SAFE 5 MORE 5 CRIES 5
RUMORS 5 MIXED 5 CRIED 5
RUDER 5 MISTOOK 5 COVER 5
ROOT 5 MISSION 5 CLEAR 5
ROOM 5 MISLED 5 CITIES 5
ROOF 5 MISLEAD 5 CIRCLE 5
ROD 5 MISERY 5 CARVED 5
RIVERS 5 MIRTH 5 CARE 5
RITES 5 MINE 5 BURNED 5
RITE 5 MILLION 5 BURIED 5
RISES 5 MILLET 5 BURDEN 5
RISEN 5 MILES 5 BRIEF 5
RISE 5 MILE 5 BREAK 5
RIPE 5 MILDEST 5 BREAD 5
RIOT 5 METEORS 5 BORNE 5
RIFLED 5 MERGED 5 BORE 5
RIDGES 5 MERELY 5 BIRTH 5
RIDERS 5 MERE 5 BIRDS 5
RIDE 5 MEMBER 5 BIRD 5
RICHEST 5 MATTER 5 BIRCH 5
RICE 5 MASTER 5 BETTER 5
RETORT 5 MARKED 5 BEFORE 5
REST 5 MANNER 5 BEER 5
RESORT 5 LURE 5 BEAR 5
REPORT 5 LOWER 5 BARREN 5
RENDER 5 LOVER 5 BARLEY 5
REFORM 5 LONGER 5 BARE 5
REFERS 5 LIVES 5 ARROW 5
REEDS 5 LIVED 5 ARMED 5
RED 5 LIVE 5 ARE 5
RECORD 5 LINE 5 APPEAR 5
REAPER 5 LIKELY 5 ANSWER 5
REAL 5 LIKE 5 ANOTHER 5
READER 5 LIFTS 5 AIR 5
READ 5 LIES 5 AGREE 5
RATHER 5 LIE 5 AFTER 5
RARELY 5 LATTER 5 WINTER 4
RARE 5 LATER 5 WIFE 4
QUARTER 5 LARGE 5 WARRIOR 4
PURGED 5 KNIVES 5 UNIFORM 4
PUREST 5 KINGDOM 5 TIRED 4
PURELY 5 KILLED 5 SUFFER 4
PURE 5 ITSELF 5 SISTER 4
PROW 5 INTO 5 SILVER 4
PROPER 5 INTERIOR 5 RIVER 4
PROOF 5 INFANT 5 REFER 4
PROFESS 5 INDEED 5 REAR 4
PRISON 5 IF 5 PIGEON 4
PRIEST 5 IDOL 5 PERFORM 4
PREY 5 IDEAS 5 PERFECT 4
PRESS 5 IDEA 5 ORDER 4
PREFERS 5 HUNTER 5 OFFER 4
PRAYER 5 HORSES 5 NURSERY 4
POWER 5 HORSE 5 NURSED 4
PORTION 5 HISTORY 5 NUMBER 4
PORTERS 5 HIMSELF 5 NOR 4
POOR 5 HIGHEST 5 NINETY 4
PITIED 5 HIDE 5 NINE 4
PIRACY 5 HIDDEN 5 NICELY 4
PIPES 5 HERSELF 5 NICE 4
PIONEERS 5 HERO 5 NEVER 4
PILOT 5 HERE 5 NERVES 4
PILLAR 5 HER 5 NEITHER 4
PILES 5 HEAR 5 NEAR 4
PILED 5 HARVEST 5 NARROW 4
PILE 5 GROW 5 MURDER 4
PIKES 5 GRIEF 5 LIVER 4
PIKE 5 GREY 5 LIFE 4
PIGEONS 5 GREW 5 KNIFE 4
PIETY 5 GREEN 5 IRON 4
PIERCED 5 GREAT 5 HIGHER 4
PIECES 5 GIVES 5 FORMER 4
PIECE 5 GIVEN 5 FOR 4
PERSON 5 GIVE 5 FIRES 4
PERIOD 5 GIRLS 5 FIRE 4
PERFIDY 5 GIRL 5 FEAR 4
PER 5 GIFT 5 FARMER 4
PARTOOK 5 GATHER 5 EITHER 4
PARDON 5 GARMENT 5 DIRECT 4
PARADOX 5 GARDENS 5 CORNER 4
PAPER 5 GARDEN 5 COFFER 4
OWNER 5 FURTHER 5 CAREER 4
OVER 5 FROM 5 INFER 3
Nirfeor is not nenufar; it is nenufar just as much as it is 'paradox'. It is more 'never' than 'nenufar'.
'nirfeor' is not a word in any language.
Your method is 100% the same as Yokubinas': you generate non-language, which you match to a fantasy/unknown/mixed language, which you translate into English.