MarcoP > 29-01-2019, 09:38 AM
(28-01-2019, 10:00 PM)davidjackson Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Quote:Gavin Güldenpfennig Wrote: 1. Are there any language families, which are completely impossible as VMS language and if yes, why?Just to annoy MarcoP I'll remind him that some people* say that if you consider a syllabic based language family then Hawaiian is a close match.
MarcoP wronte: Nothing is "completely impossible", but I think that American languages are nearly impossible. I tend to totally ignore that option.
(28-01-2019, 08:57 PM)Gavin Güldenpfennig Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Why do you think, that American languages are nearly impossible and what do you mean by "American languages"? Only indigenous languages?
Gavin Güldenpfennig > 30-01-2019, 12:03 AM
Quote: Then it's not strictly agglutinative. It is synthetic. Synthetic languages form words by affixing a given number of dependent morphemes to a root morpheme. (Most Indo-European languages are synthetic).
Quote: So this fits with Stolfi's core / crust / mantle theory - we are seeing modifiers to the stem. Agglutinative languages (think of German or Inuit) tend to produce very long words, which isn't what we see in the VM corpus.
Quote: Actually, the opposite is often postulated to be true. Compare a modern language like English with Latin or Hebrew, Assyrian or ancient Turk. The subject is far too complex for me to boil down to a couple of sentences over my porridge, but it is often the case that the older a language is, the most rigid and complex it becomes.
Quote: Unless you count the Vikings. But this scenario is impossible. There is no indication of either Nordic or Pre-Columbian culture in the VM.
Quote: but making the idea plausible will require a huge amount of solid evidence
Linda > 30-01-2019, 12:20 AM
(30-01-2019, 12:03 AM)Gavin Güldenpfennig Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.@JKP
But you don´t rule out, that it could be a normally written old
In a very mysterious way also the VMS did built very long words. I work at the moment with a four - line - transcription - system. Line 2 is the original transcription, which is directly based on the VMS, Line 3 is the medieval near form after the language developing process over the in-between-centuries.
One word consists in line 2 of two words, which are melting together into the line 3- variation. So it consists now of 13 or maybe 14 letters.
Gavin Güldenpfennig > 30-01-2019, 12:40 PM
Wladimir D > 30-01-2019, 01:13 PM
Gavin Güldenpfennig > 30-01-2019, 02:44 PM
MarcoP > 30-01-2019, 05:53 PM
-JKP- > 30-01-2019, 06:26 PM
davidjackson > 30-01-2019, 08:12 PM
Quote:My only regret is that nobody seems to consider English as the original language of the VMS.A modern English code base would make life simpler
Gavin Güldenpfennig > 30-01-2019, 09:46 PM
Quote: My only regret is that nobody seems to consider English as the original language of the VMS.
A modern English code base would make life simpler
Gavin, I suggest that you propose your method in a structured version here so that we can impartially evaluate your mechanism. Giving us hints and suggestions just makes people lose interest.
We would be delighted to have a look at your method.