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• RE: No text, but a visual code

  Jorge_Stolfi > 23-02-2026, 05:05 AM

  (22-02-2026, 09:41 AM)Antonio García Jiménez Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Why not start your own thread instead of posting in every thread? That way you can share your ideas and see if many people follow and agree with you.

  
  But aren't you posting here to see if other people agree with you?
  
  Al the best, --stolfi

• RE: No text, but a visual code

  Antonio García Jiménez > 23-02-2026, 08:42 AM

  You're wrong. I don't give opinions, I'm posting here to teach people.

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  Antonio García Jiménez > 27-02-2026, 06:45 PM

  In previous posts, I've explained why the Rosettes page is a representation of the medieval universe from an astrological perspective. In other words, it aims to depict the astral influences on Earth. I will now focus on a detail that reinforces the interpretation.
  
    Everyone has seen that astronomical clock in the bottom left corner of the page. It's actually a small volvelle, though without the zodiac signs. Between the two circles are eight groups of three lines each. Each line represents 15 degrees or one hour, resulting in 360 degrees or 24 hours. This is quite clear.
  
  The way the artist of the Rosettes has represented the influences of the spheres is through strokes of varying shapes. One of the most common are those groups of three lines which we see on the two central lateral spheres, both pointing towards the central sphere. And also in the lower right sphere, where we see the groups separated by a point.
  
  The interpretation of this detail is certainly not decorative, given that we have the astronomical clock which clearly tells us the meaning of those lines. What it represents is time, since the movement of the spheres signifies the passage of time.

• RE: No text, but a visual code

  Antonio García Jiménez > 03-03-2026, 11:12 AM

  The scribe in charge of folio 78 had the idea of inserting those groups of three lines within the loop of the gallows. At f78r, four groups of three lines can be seen within the gallows that open the last paragraph. And at f78v, the loop of the gallows in the first paragraph includes three groups.
  
  One might think this detail is a decorative whim of the scribe, but we have already seen that this group of lines has a very clear astronomical meaning. And if the scribe inserted them into the loop of the gallows, glyphs that for me symbolize the sun, it is because for him they were part of the same system of representation.
  
  There are details like this scattered throughout the book that have led me to believe that all the glyphs in the script are actually astronomical symbols.

• RE: No text, but a visual code

  Antonio García Jiménez > 05-03-2026, 09:54 AM

  Let us imagine for a moment that the Voynich consisted only of its astronomical-astrological, cosmological and zodiacal sections. If, after the impossibility of translating the script of those sections into a language, I were to say that the authors actually embellished the illustrations with astronomical symbols, perhaps my assertion would be credible. It would not seem strange that the drawings of the sun, the moon, and the stars were accompanied by symbols of those same celestial objects and their positions.
  
     The problem with accepting a theory like mine, then, lies in accepting it for all sections of the Voynich. Anyone would say that it makes no sense for the drawings of herbs to be accompanied by astronomical symbols. And this objection can only be overcome by understanding the complete iconography of the codex and the mentality of its time. This is an astrological book that aims to demonstrate the power of astral influences, an idea embraced by humanity at that time.
  
    Those who drew these fantastical herbs likely did so with the strong conviction that the stars could create them. They might even have believed they existed somewhere on Earth. This explains, however strange it may seem, why the drawings of these herbs are accompanied by astronomical symbols.

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  pjburkshire > 05-03-2026, 12:14 PM

  When you say "herbs are accompanied by astronomical symbols", the pages are now together in the same book but the pages may not have always been together in the same book.  Are there any herb pages that have astronomical symbols on the same page with the herbs?
  
  I see the Voynich Manuscript as something like a text book or reference book or a teaching guide with different topics.  I'm not convinced that the herb pages are the same topic as the Stars & Nymphs pages.  You call it an "astrological book".  I say it is a book that has a section that is astrological.

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  Aga Tentakulus > 05-03-2026, 02:43 PM

  (05-03-2026, 12:14 PM)pjburkshire Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view."herbs are accompanied by astronomical symbols"

  
  That makes perfect sense.
  Strawberries ripen before cherries. Apples and pears ripen after cherries. Well, grapes don't ripen until October.
  For example, blackberries for medicinal purposes should be harvested in March (flowers and leaves). Once the berries start to develop, it's too late. The plant loses its vigour.
  For thousands of years, people have been guided by the stars for sowing and harvesting.
  So why not here too?
  
  Translated with DeepL.com (free version)

• RE: No text, but a visual code

  pjburkshire > 05-03-2026, 02:53 PM

  The agricultural cycle is about the annual cycle of the sun, not the stars.  So, since our sun is a star, just one star.  Not all the little stars.  Not the actual planets.  I don't even see any actual planets in the Voynich Manuscript.  Does anyone see any actual planets in the Voynich Manuscript?  I'm talking about Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn.

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  Aga Tentakulus > 05-03-2026, 03:11 PM

  The grain is cut in July-August. In the zodiac sign of Leo.
  When is the right time according to the sun?
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  pjburkshire > 05-03-2026, 04:24 PM

  Two sides of the same coin.  The Zodiac is about which Sign the sun is in during the year.  To say "when the sun is in Leo" is about July 22 to August 22.  It's just the solar calendar.  I'm more concerned about the missing planets.  If this entire book is supposed to be about astrology, where are Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn in the Voynich Manuscript?
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