-JKP- > 02-06-2019, 02:17 AM
Morten St. George > 02-06-2019, 02:54 AM
(02-06-2019, 02:17 AM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I wouldn't say it was the same person who foliated the VMS and the SSM, even though they are very similar.
The handwriting in the SSM has consistently longer tails on the 9 and the 7, and the 2 is somewhat consistently flatter on the top. Not a big difference but enough to be fairly sure it's two different people.
-JKP- > 02-06-2019, 03:20 AM
Morten St. George > 02-06-2019, 06:12 AM
(02-06-2019, 03:20 AM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.If you are talking about the pair combinations (e.g., Albth and the others), I'm familiar with it.
Paris > 02-06-2019, 10:23 AM
Morten St. George > 02-06-2019, 06:25 PM
(02-06-2019, 10:23 AM)Paris Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Hi Morten,
I have also examples of page 42.
The first one is from the VMS, the two other ones are from manuscripts circa 1550.
-JKP- > 02-06-2019, 10:35 PM
Morten St. George > 03-06-2019, 05:00 AM
(02-06-2019, 10:35 PM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I think it is pretty unlikely that John Dee was a forger.
He was an extremely pious man, so honest that he was constantly taken advantage of by other people. He simply couldn't "see" deceit because it wasn't on his radar. He entrusted his entire beloved library to a relative while he traveled to the continent and it was immediately plundered, something Dee probably didn't expect to happen.
He naively believed all of Kelley's "channeling" were messages from God (or from God's angels) which is why he was taken in by him for so long.
Edward Kelley, on the other hand, was an opportunistic rogue and probably capable of anything, if he could benefit in some way. Two intelligent men with VERY different personalities and ethical stances. I have no doubt that Kelley would forge if he thought he could get away with it.
-JKP- > 03-06-2019, 06:40 AM
Morten St. George > 03-06-2019, 11:58 PM
(03-06-2019, 06:40 AM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I really don't care if Will Shakespeare is a pen name, someone brilliant wrote the Shakespeare plays, just as someone brilliant wrote Beethoven's symphonies.
Somebody with wide-ranging knowledge and a searching intellect also wrote John Dee's books and the dispersion of his personal collection of other people's books seems to follow the historical record quite well also.
These "stories" do not exist in a vacuum. There is historical evidence to support them and I doubt if someone else forged John Dee's ex libris in his handwriting in tomes from his book collection.
I also doubt that a fake Edward Kelley was put in prison in Prague because there is historical evidence from numerous people that he was there.