08-10-2026, 06:40 PM
(This post was last modified: 08-10-2026, 06:46 PM by Jorge_Stolfi.)
(07-10-2026, 06:35 AM)JoJo_Jost wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I was curious about this, so I looked for an English cookbook, and on my very first (!) try, I found a match with—I think—similar requirements. 3 daiin out of 6 daiin
Oh wow! So the SPS could be a cookbook?

Seriously, first I must commend you for choosing the right type of text, rather than a novel or theological treatise. I wish everybody did the same in their tests.
Indeed the BLAR example by itself (or any other recipe with three or fewer cribs) is not a strong proof of SPS=SBJ. It is only a modest confirmation of it. The proof requires more exampleas and/or more cribs.
You are taking an SPS parag and looking for a (cookbok) recipe that matches. I do the opposite, for various historical and practical reasons. But I suppose it does not make a difference for the analysis of your example.
But a problem with your example is that your tolerance of ±5 EVA letters is quite a bit more than the errors I consider reasonable. If you are measuring the positions from the centers of TAKE and DAIIN, you have ~66 positions out of 237 that count as "hits".
That is, it is like you had 237 closed boxes, 66 containg a colored ball of one of 6 dfferent colors, 11 of each color; and you opened three of the boxes at random. The probability of getting a colored ball in the first try is 66/237. If that happens, then the probability that the second box has a ball of a different color is 55/236. For the third box, the probability of getting ball with a color different from the first two is 44/235.
Thus the probability P of getting three balls of different colors is the product of those three numbers, which is ~0.012 or 1.2%. If you repeat the exercise 100 times -- that is, if you scan 100 recipes with about that size -- you have 1- (1-P)^100 = ~70% chances of success. With 200 tries, the probability of a success is more than 90%. How many recipes are in that cookbook?
In my tests I expect that, in a correct match, most size errors will be less than ±3 EVA letters. (To reduce the noise I measure N+1 gap sizes instead of N positions, but since the sum of the gap sizes is fixed, effectively I have N independent datums to match). Then instead of 11 boxes for each color I have only 7. On the other hand, if I count the main alternatives to daiin like kaiin and daiiin, there are 11 (not 6) sets of 7 colors, which raises P to ~2.5%. On the third hand I penalize those alternative choices in the badness score, which is somewhat equivalent to reducing the number of boxes for those colors. So it is not clear that I had as much chance of a meaningless coincidence with BLAR as you had in the reverse search.
Another question is how you picked the word "take" to be the anti-crib of daiin. In my case, the pairing 主 = ~daiin was determined from the ROOS = f105v.32 matching; and I had no other viable choice there. I then use that same crib for all other recipes; I don't have the choice of redefining 主 = ~chedy or something else for BLAR. Can you say the same of your anti-thesis, "SPS=FOC"?
All the best, --stolfi

