Ololololo, I think Jorge provided this one because I asked about it specifically.
But yes I would like to see more correlations too, it seems to me that if this were correct, that the rest can be figured out through comparing the various possibilities. Like poarkeeo would seem to mean red male chicken... I think I have seen poar before in a spot where red might actually make sense...
I just checked Voynichese and it looks like there are only 2 more instances of poar, one at the beginning of another starred paragraph, and I think also (Voynichese does not count it, I think because of scribbling, but it still looks like a P) at the beginning of what would be the Asia or water section of the inverted TO, depending on which style it is supposed to emulate. Red Sea? Qualifies both for Asia boundary, in the correct place, at the border of Africa and Asia, and also as water that is connected to a greater sea to the south. Does red come up again in the SBJ?
Also it would seem to me that if one was transcribing things, it would be in the order found in the original. Does it work out that the paragraphs before the red rooster paragraph also align, all the way back to the beginning of the recto of that page? (I think the red rooster paragraph is at the bottom of a verso, so going forward, or backward past the recto, is a little harder if the pages are out of order like they seem to be in several quires, but it seems like you could figure it out if the matches were found).
Just looking for previous info to remind me...
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How are your investigations going? You were saying that your copy was not matching, that was the same thing I had noted with the one I found, although perhaps i was not accounting for spelling variations as you seem to allow for, and i am afraid i don't know which one i was looking at, at the time. Which one are you using now? Do you have a link you can provide?
But yes I would like to see more correlations too, it seems to me that if this were correct, that the rest can be figured out through comparing the various possibilities. Like poarkeeo would seem to mean red male chicken... I think I have seen poar before in a spot where red might actually make sense...
I just checked Voynichese and it looks like there are only 2 more instances of poar, one at the beginning of another starred paragraph, and I think also (Voynichese does not count it, I think because of scribbling, but it still looks like a P) at the beginning of what would be the Asia or water section of the inverted TO, depending on which style it is supposed to emulate. Red Sea? Qualifies both for Asia boundary, in the correct place, at the border of Africa and Asia, and also as water that is connected to a greater sea to the south. Does red come up again in the SBJ?
Also it would seem to me that if one was transcribing things, it would be in the order found in the original. Does it work out that the paragraphs before the red rooster paragraph also align, all the way back to the beginning of the recto of that page? (I think the red rooster paragraph is at the bottom of a verso, so going forward, or backward past the recto, is a little harder if the pages are out of order like they seem to be in several quires, but it seems like you could figure it out if the matches were found).
Just looking for previous info to remind me...
Quote:68712-07-2026, 05:54 AM (This post was last modified: 12-07-2026, 05:54 AM by Jorge_Stolfi.)
The evidence for SPS≈SBJ, specifically, includes the crib position matches (主 <-> daiin, 气 <-> Chedy, etc) in about 35 recipe-parag pairs (~50%) of 67 that I have tried to find. Considering that 4 pages are missing and a few dozen SPS parags were merged by the Scribe into mega-parags with unknown boundaries, the success rate could not be more than ~67%. Some of those 35 matches are somewhat strained or uncertain, especially when they have only one or two cribs, or the SPS keywords are "spelling variants" like kaiin or dain for daiin. Any one of these, by itself, could argued to be mere coincidence. But others just cannot be coincidences. The latter include the 7-crib match between the longest SBJ recipe ("red rooster") and the longest non-mashed-up SPS parag (f105v.32).
Quote:58812-06-2026, 11:19 PM (This post was last modified: 12-06-2026, 11:38 PM by Jorge_Stolfi.)
(12-06-2026, 10:18 PM)Linda Wrote:
What are [your cribs]?
For sure: 主 = "mainly for" --> daiin (but sometimes dain, kaiin, laiin, dair; or abbreviated as dam).
Almost sure: 气 = "vital energy" --> chedy (but sometimes cheda, cheky, shedy, ...)
The former (zhǔ in modern Mandarin) almost always introduces the list of diseases that the drug is good for. The latter (qì in modern Mandarin) is a fundamental concept of Chinese medical theory: some sort of energy or impalpable fluid that IIUC) carries the energy of food from the stomach and spleen to the lower abdomen and maybe other parts.
The other cribs are still to uncertain to list. Please wait until I can confirm them...
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Quote:I am now going through the ~60 recipes that I had already tried to match, updating their Chinese text to the ZHB version, and then looking again for matching parags. I am about halfway through those 60. Then there are another ~300 that I have not tried yet...
How are your investigations going? You were saying that your copy was not matching, that was the same thing I had noted with the one I found, although perhaps i was not accounting for spelling variations as you seem to allow for, and i am afraid i don't know which one i was looking at, at the time. Which one are you using now? Do you have a link you can provide?
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