19-08-2026, 07:09 AM
(This post was last modified: 19-08-2026, 07:29 AM by JoJo_Jost.
Edit Reason: found the source..
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Whilst I was waiting for my VBM-Generator to produce some lovely VMS texts for me
, I had time to take a closer look at ‘putpfer’. It’s a shame – I thought ‘putrifer’ sounded quite fitting overall, but it’s clearly contradicted by the images.
There’s something strange that makes sense in itself, but not in context.
Why did I separate ‘put’ and ‘pfer’? Because the picture suggests that the stroke between the ‘t’ and the ‘p’ is separate, even though it would have been easy to write them as a single stroke.
I searched for german: ‘put’ but found nothing; however, in Bavarian, the ‘B’ is often written as ‘p’ (e.g. ‘bocksleber’ = ‘pocksleber’). So I searched for ‘but’.
‘But’ is a term for a part of a horse’s harness that sits beneath the saddle:
See:
BÛT n. a piece of horse tack. under dem sattel diu bût (: krût) fragm. 30. a. (under the saddle the but)
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I looked for the source of this entry and found it. However, I still can’t say what ‘but’ means.
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And ‘pfer’ – interestingly, there is a passage in the Carnival plays (that reminds me of the search for poxleber
)
It reads: “Inn dem stall pei dem pfer.”
= in the stable by the horses.
The interesting thing is that both independent sources have to do with horses.
But as long as we can’t work out exactly what ‘put’ means, this is a lead that’s merely interesting for now, but doesn’t lead anywhere yet.
But perhaps one of you has an idea about this...
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PS: In Latin, ‘put’ with a clear abbreviation mark equals ‘prout’, and ‘pfer’ with a mark above the ‘p’ and the ‘r’ equals ‘praeferunt’ for ‘prout praeferunt’ = (‘as they prefer’ / ‘depending on what they prefer’) – there are probably even Latin examples of this. But two abbreviation marks are missing, one of which is distinctive.
A good source for Latin abbreviations:
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(type thei ndividual words in there)
, I had time to take a closer look at ‘putpfer’. It’s a shame – I thought ‘putrifer’ sounded quite fitting overall, but it’s clearly contradicted by the images.
There’s something strange that makes sense in itself, but not in context.

Why did I separate ‘put’ and ‘pfer’? Because the picture suggests that the stroke between the ‘t’ and the ‘p’ is separate, even though it would have been easy to write them as a single stroke.
I searched for german: ‘put’ but found nothing; however, in Bavarian, the ‘B’ is often written as ‘p’ (e.g. ‘bocksleber’ = ‘pocksleber’). So I searched for ‘but’.
‘But’ is a term for a part of a horse’s harness that sits beneath the saddle:
See:
BÛT n. a piece of horse tack. under dem sattel diu bût (: krût) fragm. 30. a. (under the saddle the but)
Source: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
I looked for the source of this entry and found it. However, I still can’t say what ‘but’ means.
----
And ‘pfer’ – interestingly, there is a passage in the Carnival plays (that reminds me of the search for poxleber
)It reads: “Inn dem stall pei dem pfer.”
= in the stable by the horses.
The interesting thing is that both independent sources have to do with horses.
But as long as we can’t work out exactly what ‘put’ means, this is a lead that’s merely interesting for now, but doesn’t lead anywhere yet.
But perhaps one of you has an idea about this..._____________
PS: In Latin, ‘put’ with a clear abbreviation mark equals ‘prout’, and ‘pfer’ with a mark above the ‘p’ and the ‘r’ equals ‘praeferunt’ for ‘prout praeferunt’ = (‘as they prefer’ / ‘depending on what they prefer’) – there are probably even Latin examples of this. But two abbreviation marks are missing, one of which is distinctive.
A good source for Latin abbreviations:
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(type thei ndividual words in there)


