The Modern Forgery Hypothesis

[Bluetoes101]

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The real inconsistences are with the characters of the "forgery story". Wilfrid makes a 17C manuscript, then removes (literally cuts out) all evidence of such.. but thinks armadillos and microscopes are funny to leave in, then facing a 17C manuscript that needs to be 13C.. and everyone needs to ignore the removed signature.. well, then he writes a letter. The letter directly links the manuscript to the 17C and Rudolph (STOP!) who happens to have a botanist who would be interested in herbals.. who's signature we just removed - hopefully to never be discovered! If I was near him at this time I would slap him! How stupid do you need to be?! "You could have written it from anyone in the last 600 years Wilfrid!!!.. You chose this guy?!!"

.. though in the next breathe he is a genius pulling off some 17C writing that fools everyone.

The story does not make sense. It's not believable.

Well you have purposefully complicated my very, very simply hypothesis, I think. But: About the "armadillos and microscopes", you can't argue with success, right? I mean, if they are that, and left them in, they have been fooling thousands for well over a century by now. So if he thought "few will get it", he was right about that. He also left the sunflower and capsicum pepper, a practical tracing of a diatom only found in the 19th century, Rosicrucian symbolism, and so much more. All of which did not rise to the level of convincing many, including you, Rene, Koen, and hundreds of others, that this is a fake. Which is fine, we disagree... but my point is this, again: the claim seems to be that if this was a forgery, he would have done it better; while if a forgery, these things don't reveal it to you. Wouldn't that make it a "Good enough forgery to fool you"?, and therefore these decisions you complain should have been done better, were actually done pretty well?

That is hard to explain, I'll try another way: You claim that, if a forgery, he would not have left an armadillo, because that would have been stupid, as it would give it away; while at the same time, the You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. animal does not look like and armadillo, to you, so it could not have been a bad choice to leave it in there, as you contend.

For the rest I sort of guess what you mean by it, but again it over complicates and misstates the contentions of my theory in several ways. My timing is very clear, and very simple: 1908 find unused vellum; 1908 to 1910 create fake botanical manuscript to look like it came from Rudolf's Court; realize it falls short of that in some way(s), and that Bacon was becoming all the rage; edit the work for obvious "non-Baconesque" content, rebind; write letter now pointing to Bacon, and explaining that now problematic signature; make up Dee story; goad that useful tool Newbold into helping, with a $10,000+ carrot.

Rich

Well yes, should we not poke and prod at each others theories?  . I can argue with the "success", he didn't make a dime! It was a complete failure in that regard. I doubt fooling me, Koen, Rene and others after his death is much comfort. 

My point is not that he should have done better, but you say he took steps to do better. He cut out non-conforming pages apparently, so I feel you have to highlight the problems with this idea.

Lets try and just chuck all the bumph to a corner and start over. 
Lets say we make a Netflix movie, Voynich Fakes the VMS.

Our protagonist sets out to fake a manuscript using his knowledge of manuscripts and materials he has saved up for the occasion.
He writes it in 14-15C European style full of 14-15C European styles in drawings, to sell to 17C collectors (huh?).
This was his grand 17C idea for a fake by Jacobus Horcicky, a guy no one cares about at all in the "17C collectors sphere".
Our protagonist pivots realising water is wet and grass is green, its now a 13C Bacon "Cha-ching!".
He cuts out anything linking it to Jacobus Horcicky, other than the massive (fake) signature, then writes some letters confirming Bacon.. using 17C figures close to Jacobus Horcicky.
Oh no, our protagonist made a huge blunder!  Not only that but he forgot to cut out all the other damming stuff!
Its ok though, because the MS he has now looks nothing like a Bacon and is filled with impossible nonsense. 
These idiots won't know anyway as long as my paper is of the correct time, which can't be tested, but I'll do it anyway at great expense.. (huh?).
But just in case I have my letters . Whoops all the velum in the MS was of the wrong time too, haha whoops lmao.

Well, he never sold it and died with his fake.
The End. A great success.
A very great success because in years to come people will think its a real 17C.. I mean 13C.. wait, was it 14-15C? Manuscript. Haha funny! Got em!

I'm not watching episode 2 and I have a headache!

Also,
"Well thank you for the former, that is very kind. As for sounding "rude", no, as I did take it as part of your style, and your passion, and not any sort of personal animosity. And of course, follow your compass... just make certain to check your pockets for magnets! Ha!"

Welcome, I mean it! I don't mean to be rude just prone to what he call here in north England "calling a spade a spade", hopefully on both sides it is just taken as passion for a subject, I never mean to be personal or take it as so the other way. Judging by another thread recently, we never really know what might be in our pocketsies