24-12-2025, 10:14 AM
Koen asked whether ‘faltzen’ could mean ‘to fold’, because in his video the idea of "falten und verbrennen" ‘folding and burning’ came up = "fal8en vbren"
And since this topic belongs in this thread, I will write the detailed answer here:
I've noticed that in English, it can't be translated one-to-one as ‘fold’.
Nowadays, the german “falzen” is mostly used in connection with letterpress printing. It refers to a sharp, permanent crease. In English, it is therefore also called creasing/scoring.
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‘Falzen’ comes from ‘Falz’ (crease).
"Falten" = "Folding" (according to Wikipedia: ) can be distinguished in this case by the fact that it is done without tools. For me as a German, there would also be a difference in the precision of the fold in terms of linguistic feel.
Both terms can be traced back to the Middle High German valte / valt / valtan.
Therefore, ‘valtzen’ can certainly be translated as folding (folding/creasing/scoring).
In medieval Bavarian, there was a p /pf/f shift. And in writing, a "v" was also often used instead of an "f" – which is why pfalzen and pbren are also possible, precisely because there was no standardised spelling in that time.
We can see the P/f and t/tz/ss shift very clearly in English/German, for example:
Low German Pund / English pound / High German Pfund
Low German apen / English open / High German offen
Low German Tung / English tongue / High German Zunge
Low German Water / English water / High German Wasser
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So, based on the similarity of the letters, I would now assume "paltzen" and "pbren". And so I would interpret paltzen not longer as ‘walzen’ (to roll), but also as ‘falten’ (to fold). [thanks to Koen]
And one more note: this hard pronunciation (z=tz and p = p/f) is an indication that the writer comes from the Bavarian-speaking region (Old Bavaria, possibly neighbouring regions in Austria or South Tyrol). And that in turn fits with the Austrian text on Pox.
. So now everything fits together...
_____________________
And to everyone here who has taught me so much about the Voynich Manuscript and whom I hope I have not annoyed too much with my sometimes daring
theories:
A merry, happy and peaceful Christmas! I hope you have a wonderful time with your families or friends...
And since this topic belongs in this thread, I will write the detailed answer here:
I've noticed that in English, it can't be translated one-to-one as ‘fold’.
Nowadays, the german “falzen” is mostly used in connection with letterpress printing. It refers to a sharp, permanent crease. In English, it is therefore also called creasing/scoring.
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‘Falzen’ comes from ‘Falz’ (crease).
"Falten" = "Folding" (according to Wikipedia: ) can be distinguished in this case by the fact that it is done without tools. For me as a German, there would also be a difference in the precision of the fold in terms of linguistic feel.
Both terms can be traced back to the Middle High German valte / valt / valtan.
Therefore, ‘valtzen’ can certainly be translated as folding (folding/creasing/scoring).
In medieval Bavarian, there was a p /pf/f shift. And in writing, a "v" was also often used instead of an "f" – which is why pfalzen and pbren are also possible, precisely because there was no standardised spelling in that time.
We can see the P/f and t/tz/ss shift very clearly in English/German, for example:
Low German Pund / English pound / High German Pfund
Low German apen / English open / High German offen
Low German Tung / English tongue / High German Zunge
Low German Water / English water / High German Wasser
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So, based on the similarity of the letters, I would now assume "paltzen" and "pbren". And so I would interpret paltzen not longer as ‘walzen’ (to roll), but also as ‘falten’ (to fold). [thanks to Koen]
And one more note: this hard pronunciation (z=tz and p = p/f) is an indication that the writer comes from the Bavarian-speaking region (Old Bavaria, possibly neighbouring regions in Austria or South Tyrol). And that in turn fits with the Austrian text on Pox.
. So now everything fits together..._____________________
And to everyone here who has taught me so much about the Voynich Manuscript and whom I hope I have not annoyed too much with my sometimes daring
theories:A merry, happy and peaceful Christmas! I hope you have a wonderful time with your families or friends...



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