16-08-2025, 09:21 PM
(This post was last modified: 17-08-2025, 12:07 PM by Stefan Wirtz_2.)
(07-01-2025, 10:31 PM)Koen G wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.[..] ever gotten to proof that the VM makers used physical sources.Getting closer.
The "Hausbuch" source shows some more things you skipped before,
the previous chapter there showed all 4 ladies:
![[Image: IMG_1488.jpg?etag=%2225567b-68a0ccc9%22&...quality=85]](https://impro.usercontent.one/appid/oneComWsb/domain/bahnstadt-braunschweig.de/media/bahnstadt-braunschweig.de/onewebmedia/IMG_1488.jpg?etag=%2225567b-68a0ccc9%22&sourceContentType=image%2Fjpeg&quality=85)
Das erst(e) ist d(a)ß *Lenz = the first is the spring
Das and(ere) ist der sumer = the other is the summer
D(a)ß dritte ist d(er) herbst = the third is the autumn
Das vierd (=vierte) ist d(er) winter = the fourth is the winter
Those four women represent the 4 seasons.
After that, this guy appears in "Hausbuch":
![[Image: IMG_1490.jpg?etag=%22ec8af-68a0ccc5%22&s...quality=85]](https://impro.usercontent.one/appid/oneComWsb/domain/bahnstadt-braunschweig.de/media/bahnstadt-braunschweig.de/onewebmedia/IMG_1490.jpg?etag=%22ec8af-68a0ccc5%22&sourceContentType=image%2Fjpeg&quality=85)
xxxx d(er) Mensch nat?et ist nach d(en) vier Conplexion(en) =
???? the man is made?/born? following the four temperaments
So the next images are adressing the 4 temperaments according to those developed by ancient greek Galenos of Pergamon or even the Egyptians before.
![[Image: IMG_1489.jpg?etag=%22260239-68a0ccca%22&...quality=85]](https://impro.usercontent.one/appid/oneComWsb/domain/bahnstadt-braunschweig.de/media/bahnstadt-braunschweig.de/onewebmedia/IMG_1489.jpg?etag=%22260239-68a0ccca%22&sourceContentType=image%2Fjpeg&quality=85)
Die erste conplexion Sang(i)nea = the first temperament Sanguine
Die and(ere) heisser Colera = the other one is named Choleric
Die dritte Flegma = the third (is) Phlegmatic
Die vierde melancolia = the fourth (is) Melancholic
During the later medieval the "4 temperaments" were also loaded with the meanings of
- the ages of (wo)man
- the four directions
- the year's four seasons
- 3 zodiacs to each temper etc.
In the times before (~beginning of 12century) this here was a representation (MS428 Cambridge lib., sorry for the quality, did not find the direct source):
![[Image: IMG_1447.jpg?etag=%221706fb-68a0ccc5%22&...quality=85]](https://impro.usercontent.one/appid/oneComWsb/domain/bahnstadt-braunschweig.de/media/bahnstadt-braunschweig.de/onewebmedia/IMG_1447.jpg?etag=%221706fb-68a0ccc5%22&sourceContentType=image%2Fjpeg&quality=85)
"Flegma" is here a "just talking" guy, "Sa(n)gins" next to him holds an interesting item: looks like the thing his VMS opponent (sanguinis is counterclockwise in Voynich) holds up.
I think both items are birds, not flowers.
"Colania" and "cola rika" are both doing something with spindles, but this symbolism is at least 300 years before VMS and "Hausbuch" -- VMS sticks closer to principles which also applied to Hausbuch.
The temperaments' sequence is:
" Phlegma" -- winter & night; Baby--old man; birth/death
"Sanguine" -- spring &morning; childhood
"Choleric" -- summer & noon, Youth
"Melancholic" -- autumn & evening, adulthood
GOTO "Phlegma"...
So the lady with the wreath (seems not like a rosary) in VMS is autumn/melancholia and the sequence is not round-circle in those drawings, but jumping between segments.
I understand the "just talking" guy at the top of VMS circle as "Phlegma"; the one with the small bottle as "choleric".
Here is another one, also MS428 (and copy-from-copy):
]Can recognize just 2 calida and 2 frigida for the different tempers, but these figures are doing funny things with liquids. Maybe someone knows more here.
The "4 temperaments" theory was spreaded from ancient times to 16th century and lost ground from then on. It was even copied by the Arabs and translated to arab and syrian.
This here is an image from the end of this period (1574AD), mind the detail at "Sanguin" (and "Phlegma") bottle:
![[Image: IMG_1492.jpg?etag=%22169c94-68a0ccc7%22&...quality=85]](https://impro.usercontent.one/appid/oneComWsb/domain/bahnstadt-braunschweig.de/media/bahnstadt-braunschweig.de/onewebmedia/IMG_1492.jpg?etag=%22169c94-68a0ccc7%22&sourceContentType=image%2Fjpeg&quality=85)
This all would allow the suggestion that VMS f85r(left) shows the 4 human temperaments or, in case, the 4 seasons.
Again one gets the strange feeling that the VMS draftsman did not completely understand what he was doing there.
The findings of this thread may prove that VMS was created with a "modern" version of 4-tempers-theory, but interlaced different levels of it without any sorrow.
This might also consolidate an european origin -- but honestly, the wreath lady looks a bit mongolian/tatarian/asian to me, and not hunchbacked at all

edit:
for better comparison I add the VMS image here:
![[Image: IMG_1495.jpg?etag=W%2F%22c45dd-68a1b5eb%...quality=85]](https://impro.usercontent.one/appid/oneComWsb/domain/bahnstadt-braunschweig.de/media/bahnstadt-braunschweig.de/onewebmedia/IMG_1495.jpg?etag=W%2F%22c45dd-68a1b5eb%22&sourceContentType=image%2Fjpeg&quality=85)
Voynich manuscript is - again - mean enough and does not offer any words that may even distantly look like labels according to the "classic" namings "Phlegma", "Sanguine" etc.
All texts seem to be the usual unknown explanation-type word sets.

