24-04-2025, 10:41 AM
(24-04-2025, 10:20 AM)oshfdk wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(24-04-2025, 09:43 AM)Urtx13 wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.What the project does (in plain terms)
Sorry, but probably this is not plain enough for me, I'm still stumped. Could you try explaining it is simpler terms, or maybe better let's try some Q&A?
1) You mention cycles, but I don't understand how these cycles relate to the text. Is it topics cycling through folios? Do we have to assume the present ordering of folios for these cycles to make sense? Are there cycles within folios?
2) Basically, as far as I can see, the model splits the text into 4 topics (the number of topics is imposed upon the model) and then it is tested that the model can correctly identify the topic based on the tokens. I'm not sure what this proves exactly, I would assume if you take any text separated into chunks and ask a model to produce a split of chunks into 4 topics, the model will successfully identify some split based on token frequencies and then will successfully sort new chunks according to this split. I think I'm missing something here.
Yes,
There’s a 4-phase cycle repeating through the folios, like seasons.
We detect it using statistics, such as token entropy, topic modeling, and FFT (like finding beats in music), among others.
These cycles show up between folios and inside them, and they break when shuffled. So it’s not just the order — it’s baked into the content.
Why four topics?
Good point. We imposed four topics, but the important part is:
-Once we do that, the pattern is consistent, predictable, and resistant to noise. So it works.
-Randomizing destroys it.
We don’t yet know why it’s there. But the discovery is that the pattern is there.
So we’re not saying “this is what it means” — we’re showing that there’s a real symbolic structure, not gibberish. This is the perfect first step toward understanding the language. Proving that an internal pattern exists (with high accuracy) opens the door to finally solving the linguistic side—and reading the text within its historical context.
Happy to go deeper if you like!


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