Getting close to a source for f85r2

[monisusa]

Let's see if we can increase that to a 2/10

Let's start with the old woman. I didn't see it either at first, but she is hunched. There's an optical illusion where her elbow and the rosary (?) appear to create an additional part of her dress. I colored the sky in the image below to make it clearer.



The differences are there, but the idea is the same and the execution of the idea is similar enough to say that they likely belong to the same tradition. Differences include:

• The style of the cane. No issue there: attributes are part of fashion and can be updated or adjusted to local familiarity.
  
• The color of the lips. The Rosettes sheet has no access to red paint, and you see them struggle here. They tried blue for the lips here but it looks weird. 
  
• Pose of the elbow and the other arm. That's different indeed. I'm not saying the VM copied from this exact MS. Also, VM and limbs....
  
• The circular attribute is weird in the VM. It's like a bunch of overlapping circles. I suspect that if the actual source is ever found, it will show us how the VM ended up with something like that.
  

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In the text we can read ..."a noble woman dressed for church.."  Thats why it is most likely a rosary.