08-05-2022, 06:19 PM
Hi Everyone,
Thanks for the questions Nablator.
1)First, settings: cKh, cFh, cTh, cPh are taken as kch and tch to set the outer disks 34 tokens. 17 tokens start with k and 17 with t and continue aiin, ain, air, ar, al, ol, or, os, ch, che, sh, she, ee, e, o, d, y. (I adapted the example to look like the text on the disk on page You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. using it as tokens)
Where do the settings stop? After 4 tokens(not one word). The spaces are generated by the final tokens and the outer tokens that finish “looking” final ( aiin, ain, air, ar, al, or, os, ol, o, d, y ). Check the repetition of the 4 first tokens of all pages first. Some paragraphs might not be clearly identified.
2)Tokenization: You are right the first page has some irregularities. It seems they pulled all the strings there. a might be replaceable by o if the token is not found like m with r. The principal rule as you already found out is to find the token on the disk without ambiguity. If the space is not needed for that, sometimes it is not written or shorter as normal.
3)Spaces and initial/final: Spaces end tokens that are frequently used finals of Ottoman words to make the encrypted text speak able and looking like real language, I do not think there is a direct connection to their use in Ottoman.
4)Wouldn't it be very easy to find the 3 tokens for space? Please note that the spaces are only on the “created” Latin disk that serves as an example for the English text. The real disk has no spaces, the finals and initials of Ottoman make them unnecessary.
5)What is the reason for naming these 3 disks initial/medial/final? 99% of the time you find this tokens at the beginning/middle/end of a VM word, which is a greatly helps find them on the corresponding disks. This is where the names come from, but I used the words initial/medial/final because they popped up in Ottoman script as well. I noticed that the language was sensible to this concept(idea). The disks might have developed out of the 4 tables that transcribed Ottoman phonetically to Latin, just rotating them against each other. Then further improvements were made to hide the encoding.
Any more questions are welcome
Thanks
Thanks for the questions Nablator.
1)First, settings: cKh, cFh, cTh, cPh are taken as kch and tch to set the outer disks 34 tokens. 17 tokens start with k and 17 with t and continue aiin, ain, air, ar, al, ol, or, os, ch, che, sh, she, ee, e, o, d, y. (I adapted the example to look like the text on the disk on page You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. using it as tokens)
Where do the settings stop? After 4 tokens(not one word). The spaces are generated by the final tokens and the outer tokens that finish “looking” final ( aiin, ain, air, ar, al, or, os, ol, o, d, y ). Check the repetition of the 4 first tokens of all pages first. Some paragraphs might not be clearly identified.
2)Tokenization: You are right the first page has some irregularities. It seems they pulled all the strings there. a might be replaceable by o if the token is not found like m with r. The principal rule as you already found out is to find the token on the disk without ambiguity. If the space is not needed for that, sometimes it is not written or shorter as normal.
3)Spaces and initial/final: Spaces end tokens that are frequently used finals of Ottoman words to make the encrypted text speak able and looking like real language, I do not think there is a direct connection to their use in Ottoman.
4)Wouldn't it be very easy to find the 3 tokens for space? Please note that the spaces are only on the “created” Latin disk that serves as an example for the English text. The real disk has no spaces, the finals and initials of Ottoman make them unnecessary.
5)What is the reason for naming these 3 disks initial/medial/final? 99% of the time you find this tokens at the beginning/middle/end of a VM word, which is a greatly helps find them on the corresponding disks. This is where the names come from, but I used the words initial/medial/final because they popped up in Ottoman script as well. I noticed that the language was sensible to this concept(idea). The disks might have developed out of the 4 tables that transcribed Ottoman phonetically to Latin, just rotating them against each other. Then further improvements were made to hide the encoding.
Any more questions are welcome
Thanks