Hi Koen,
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This is my version of the VM spiral text based on the ZL transliteration (commas for uncertain spaces):
o/ochs oetchy osar,aram askeeody ochdor,al o,ekair,y ytodaro opalshy or,arodar yko,dar ykodar ykary opalxy
o/ochs oetchy osar,aram askeeody ochdor,al o,ekair,y ytodaro opalshy or,arodar yko,dar ykodar ykary opalxy
The passage is particularly hard to read, likely because the spiral shape made it hard to write.
The first thing I notice is the repetition "ykodar ykodar". The Vulgate contains a few exact repetitions (I found 11), but none in Chapter 6. The Greek text appears to contain the same repetitions as the Vulgate. The two also share two occurrences of triple repetition (each counted as two instances of repetition):
Latin: sanctus sanctus sanctus / vae vae vae
Greek: αγιος αγιος αγιος / οὐαὶ οὐαὶ οὐαὶ
Since full and partial reduplication are such a prominent feature of Voynichese and so rare elsewhere, bibles included (~3% vs ~0.1%), one of the first questions is how to handle this.
A few more data:
Length of the Voynichese passage:
EVA characters (spaces not counted):88; words:13/19 (depending on uncertain spaces)
Greek: characters:41 words:7
Latin: characters:35; words:6
Greek: καὶ ὁ οὐρανὸς ἀπεχωρίσθη ὡς βιβλίον ἑλισσόμενον
Latin: et caelum recessit sicut liber involutus
Both Greek amd Latin start with the most common word in the language (the conjunction). The word dropped in the Latin translation is the article in "the heaven" (ὁ οὐρανὸς / caelum).
The page linked by Nablator seems to have a problem: occurrences of "ae" are missing (et stell de clo ceciderunt super terram). Ths problem aside, the words above are identical (et clum recessit sicut liber involutus).
EDIT: If I understand correctly, Wulfila's early Gothic translation of the Revelations has not survived.
This is the passage from Johann Mentelin's You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.. According to You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view., it is based on a XIV Century German translation.
Our fragment goes something like:
Vnd d' himel schied sich als eī eingewundens bůch
EDIT2: it's the first 'ykodar', not the first, that could be split by an uncertain space
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Quote:6:12 Καὶ εἶδον ὅτε ἤνοιξεν τὴν σφραγῖδα τὴν ἕκτην, καὶ σεισμὸς μέγας
ἐγένετο, καὶ ὁ ἥλιος ἐγένετο μέλας ὡς σάκκος τρίχινος, καὶ ἡ σελήνη ὅλη
ἐγένετο ὡς αἷμα,
6:13 καὶ οἱ ἀστέρες τοῦ οὐρανοῦ ἔπεσαν εἰς τὴν γῆν, ὡς συκῆ βάλλει τοὺς
ὀλύνθους αὐτῆς ὑπὸ ἀνέμου μεγάλου σειομένη,
6:14 καὶ ὁ οὐρανὸς ἀπεχωρίσθη ὡς βιβλίον ἑλισσόμενον,καὶ πᾶν ὄρος καὶ
νῆσος ἐκ τῶν τόπων αὐτῶν ἐκινήθησαν.
6:15 καὶ οἱ βασιλεῖς τῆς γῆς καὶ οἱ μεγιστᾶνες καὶ οἱ χιλίαρχοι καὶ οἱ πλούσιοι
καὶ οἱ ἰσχυροὶ καὶ πᾶς δοῦλος καὶ ἐλεύθερος ἔκρυψαν ἑαυτοὺς εἰς τὰ σπήλαια
καὶ εἰς τὰς πέτρας τῶν ὀρέων·
6:16 καὶ λέγουσιν τοῖς ὄρεσιν καὶ ταῖς πέτραις, Πέσετε ἐφ’ ἡμᾶς καὶ κρύψατε
ἡμᾶς ἀπὸ προσώπου τοῦ καθημένου ἐπὶ τοῦ θρόνου καὶ ἀπὸ τῆς ὀργῆς τοῦ
ἀρνίου,
6:17 ὅτι ἦλθεν ἡ ἡμέρα ἡ μεγάλη τῆς ὀργῆς αὐτῶν, καὶ τίς δύναται σταθῆναι;
This is my version of the VM spiral text based on the ZL transliteration (commas for uncertain spaces):
o/ochs oetchy osar,aram askeeody ochdor,al o,ekair,y ytodaro opalshy or,arodar yko,dar ykodar ykary opalxy
o/ochs oetchy osar,aram askeeody ochdor,al o,ekair,y ytodaro opalshy or,arodar yko,dar ykodar ykary opalxy
The passage is particularly hard to read, likely because the spiral shape made it hard to write.
The first thing I notice is the repetition "ykodar ykodar". The Vulgate contains a few exact repetitions (I found 11), but none in Chapter 6. The Greek text appears to contain the same repetitions as the Vulgate. The two also share two occurrences of triple repetition (each counted as two instances of repetition):
Latin: sanctus sanctus sanctus / vae vae vae
Greek: αγιος αγιος αγιος / οὐαὶ οὐαὶ οὐαὶ
Since full and partial reduplication are such a prominent feature of Voynichese and so rare elsewhere, bibles included (~3% vs ~0.1%), one of the first questions is how to handle this.
A few more data:
Length of the Voynichese passage:
EVA characters (spaces not counted):88; words:13/19 (depending on uncertain spaces)
Greek: characters:41 words:7
Latin: characters:35; words:6
Greek: καὶ ὁ οὐρανὸς ἀπεχωρίσθη ὡς βιβλίον ἑλισσόμενον
Latin: et caelum recessit sicut liber involutus
Both Greek amd Latin start with the most common word in the language (the conjunction). The word dropped in the Latin translation is the article in "the heaven" (ὁ οὐρανὸς / caelum).
The page linked by Nablator seems to have a problem: occurrences of "ae" are missing (et stell de clo ceciderunt super terram). Ths problem aside, the words above are identical (et clum recessit sicut liber involutus).
EDIT: If I understand correctly, Wulfila's early Gothic translation of the Revelations has not survived.
This is the passage from Johann Mentelin's You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.. According to You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view., it is based on a XIV Century German translation.
Our fragment goes something like:
Vnd d' himel schied sich als eī eingewundens bůch
EDIT2: it's the first 'ykodar', not the first, that could be split by an uncertain space


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