reading [y] as a null character
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(25-09-2020, 07:24 PM)Koen G wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Nulls are often mentioned when it comes to possibilities we can expect, so it is on my "to check" list. However, the verbose cipher thing took me so long that I moved on to imagery for a while. 
What I was planning was to check what would happen for each glyph if it was treated as a null. And combinations of glyphs, like what if [a, o and y] are all nulls? I don't understand why [y] should be a special case though. Take [a] for example; instead of merging it with each possible combination of following glyphs, it may be simpler to just omit it.

Your [o+glyph] bigrams worked so well on the h2 conditional entropy of the text that it's hard to believe the results could be as good or better if [o] were treated as a null instead. And you also achieved your best results with many n-grams including [a] as well. If you just omit [a], you are losing for example the distinction between [al] and [l], and between [ar] and [r]. With [y] on the other hand I don't recall any n-grams with [y] that ended up in your best results to improve the entropy statistics. And there is also the linguistic argument that the ubiquitous vord-final [y] excessively reduces the number of possible word-final or syllable-final letters/phonemes. Treating [y] as a null really opens up many more actual meaningful vord-final letters representing actual phonemes. I think it makes it much easier to relate to actual natural languages and texts.
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RE: reading [y] as a null character - by -JKP- - 24-09-2020, 08:14 PM
RE: reading [y] as a null character - by -JKP- - 25-09-2020, 12:36 AM
RE: reading [y] as a null character - by -JKP- - 25-09-2020, 08:39 PM
RE: reading [y] as a null character - by Koen G - 25-09-2020, 07:24 PM
RE: reading [y] as a null character - by geoffreycaveney - 25-09-2020, 07:51 PM
RE: reading [y] as a null character - by Koen G - 25-09-2020, 08:00 PM
RE: reading [y] as a null character - by Koen G - 28-09-2020, 09:34 PM
RE: reading [y] as a null character - by Koen G - 04-10-2020, 07:16 PM

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