24-09-2020, 04:07 AM
(This post was last modified: 24-09-2020, 05:55 AM by Voynichgibberish.)
Dear Mark,
I am glad you pointed out (6). Examples of a number of quite distinct things having the same label struck me as very problematic. However I suppose I hold what might be regarded as a compromise position, i.e. that some of the text is gibberish or "filler" and some contains meaning; this is not unusual for ciphers.
That's a good point regarding the possibility of the voynich being a cipher, yet the availability of complex ciphers were non-existent in the early 15th century and this manuscript would have been decoded by now, because the simple ciphers were only available.
As for languages invented and known there is a way to spot gibberish and you can find that out by reading the Schinner PDF. Even random texts obey the Zipf's Law. Schinner elaborates upon the high amount of geometrically placed repeating words in the VMS and its based on word distance. The VMS was an anomaly when compared to German, Latin, Mandarin and English and it was a huge outlier stats wise for repeat distance of words.
So what to do to be more focused with Voynich studies, would be to find the exact algorithm which produces random VMS text. If one finds a 95% accuracy for the VMS text generation then in my mind he/she will have finally solved the Voynich Gibberish case!
I know Torsten Timm has gone down this path, however I don't think he has had a an equivalency of a 95% success rate.
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I am glad you pointed out (6). Examples of a number of quite distinct things having the same label struck me as very problematic. However I suppose I hold what might be regarded as a compromise position, i.e. that some of the text is gibberish or "filler" and some contains meaning; this is not unusual for ciphers.
That's a good point regarding the possibility of the voynich being a cipher, yet the availability of complex ciphers were non-existent in the early 15th century and this manuscript would have been decoded by now, because the simple ciphers were only available.
As for languages invented and known there is a way to spot gibberish and you can find that out by reading the Schinner PDF. Even random texts obey the Zipf's Law. Schinner elaborates upon the high amount of geometrically placed repeating words in the VMS and its based on word distance. The VMS was an anomaly when compared to German, Latin, Mandarin and English and it was a huge outlier stats wise for repeat distance of words.
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So what to do to be more focused with Voynich studies, would be to find the exact algorithm which produces random VMS text. If one finds a 95% accuracy for the VMS text generation then in my mind he/she will have finally solved the Voynich Gibberish case!
I know Torsten Timm has gone down this path, however I don't think he has had a an equivalency of a 95% success rate.