(02-05-2016, 10:56 PM)-JKP- wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.A count of how many times a shape occurs is not enough. Where it is in a sentence is important. In fact, in the VMS, this is one of the most important considerations (one of the most distinctive properties of the text).
For example,
I can list many more examples, but this is why I keep saying the structure of the VMS differs quite significantly from Latin, even if some of the glyph-shapes and their position are obviously derived from Latin.
- In Latin, the -ris/-tis/-cis abbreviations (EVA-m, EVA-g) typically are at the ends of words (as in the VMS) but can occur almost anywhere in a sentence. They are usually somewhat spaced out in the sentence in normal Latin but, in the VMS, to take folio 80r, as an example (because it has a lot of text), there are eight that are at the ends of lines, none that are midline. There are some on other pages that are midline, but they still don't fit the same linguistic pattern as Latin, even if it's assumed that this might be poetry (with rhyme at the end).
- In Latin, as you've already noticed, the pre- abbreviation is very common, the pro- abbreviation not quite as frequent. In your Latin interpretation, there is a very high percentage of 4o and very few 4—a ratio that is completely different from Latin.
Given the inconsistency of the interpretation for specific glyphs/glyph combinations, I'm still concerned you may be imposing Latin upon the text rather than letting the text reveal itself.
When the same glyph means -um one time and -us the next time and -em a third time, we need to ask whether you are simply choosing something that works rather than letting the actual meaning of the text lead you to a solution.
I'd rather ask these questions here, on the forum, where you have a friendly audience than see you throw your translation out in the wild before it's ready, or you might get skewered by some of the less friendly detractors.
First of all, thanks for your interest. Any critical thought is much better than just ignoring. I see you you really try to figure out my theory.
I agree that abbreviations which usually are in the end of words may mean another in the center of words, there are still many questionable interpretations for me. For example, I still doubt in the interpretation of the glyph "9" in the center of the word, but I can't suggest something else for now.
As for the pro- abbreviations, actually, there is the one abbreviation "per" or "pr" (q - glyph), but the letter "o" is really more frequent than usually, moreover, some words which must correctly be with the prefix "prae-" have "pro-" here. Maybe someone knows regions and time that could be notable for such indications.
"When the same glyph means -um one time and -us the next time and -em a third time, we need to ask whether you are simply choosing something that works rather than letting the actual meaning of the text lead you to a solution."
I wouldn't call this a case in point. In my interpretation for endings:
y - um, am, em
l - us, s, os, as
s - is, es, as
To the point, I've found more suitable word in the first paragraph: imitarere instead of habiturere.
Fer eum, si cum cras ratione commeritorum
Chaos temporum aperies cum genitore.
Compositum sonorum accurare oro,
cum graditur, apertorem hortor
Notas (latior) aperire apertura
De rebus, scrutatator, caecum, oro
Concreturum compote vaporiarum
habeas, de ratione rotarum
sequi tenturum in pium luminar,
horoscopum imitarere de rotarum
incertarum hora, incertum sortitur-cum
aurora aperturum, inauratione exerturum.
The second variant:
Fer eum, si cum cras ratione commeritorum
Chaos temporum aperies cum genitore.
Compositum sonorum accurare oro.
cum graditur, apertorem hortor
Notas (latior) aperire apertura
De rebus, si cum rediditur, caecum, oro
Concreturum compote vaporiarum
habeas, de ratione rotarum
sequi tenturum in pium luminar,
horoscopum imitarere de rotarum
incertarum hora, incertum sortitur-cum
aurora aperturum, inauratione exerturum.
Possible translation:
Receive this, if hereafter, with the way of merits,
You will open chaos of the times by the creator.
I ask you to preserve a composition of sounds.
When it comes, I implore discoverer
To open signs with revelation (to open wider with revelation)
About the world, if when it comes in sight (or: it is translated), I ask:
May you wil know invisible thickening from shadowy.
To follow the way of wheels/ circles to the lucky star
You could represent/imitate Horoscope in terms of
The hour of vicissitude. The indefinite draws lots,
Opening with dawn, releasing (detecting) with gilding ???
Possible variant of the last line:
"venturo aperturum, alienatione exerturum/efferaturum." (opening with the future, releasing (detecting) with the change)

