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• Anyone seen this proposed solution yet? More Hebrew...

  LisaFaginDavis > 16-06-2020, 06:41 PM

  This was just published last week by Rainer Hannig...has anyone seen it yet? Another Hebrew claim:
  
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  Still making my way through the German, so can't comment yet.
  
  - Lisa

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  LisaFaginDavis > 16-06-2020, 07:04 PM

  A few thoughts after a quick review:
  
  1) he distinguishes six, rather than four, gallows, distinguishing the variants of EVA-p and EVA-f in which the cross-stroke ends with a slight curl. Linguists: what do you make of that, in terms of frequency and word-position?
  2) he then interprets bench-gallows as the Hebrew letters that take on a hard vocalization when a dot is added.
  3) he mentions the directional problem only in a footnote without truly addressing why Voynichese, if it represents phonemic Hebrew,  is written from left to right.
  4) he identifies EVA-o at the beginning of a word as they Hebrew prefix "ha", which means "the." Presumably, then, any word that begins with EVA-o is a noun. To the linguists out there...any thoughts on that interpretation?
  5) not clear what he does with plain benches...

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  bi3mw > 16-06-2020, 07:10 PM

  After all, you can't blame Hannig for "bending" his results until he gets meaningful text. He clearly points out where there are gaps.

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  LisaFaginDavis > 16-06-2020, 07:28 PM

  He identifies Language A as "definitely Hebrew" but Language B as only "probably" Hebrew

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  LisaFaginDavis > 16-06-2020, 07:40 PM

  And what does he mean by דּ  and גּ? Do daled and gimel ever actually get a dot? Not in Modern Hebrew, certainly. 
  
  (answer: apparently yes, in ancient Hebrew traditions)

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  Emma May Smith > 16-06-2020, 07:55 PM

  (16-06-2020, 07:04 PM)LisaFaginDavis Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view....
  4) he identifies EVA-o at the beginning of a word as they Hebrew prefix "ha", which means "the." Presumably, then, any word that begins with EVA-o is a noun. To the linguists out there...any thoughts on that interpretation?
  
  ...

  
  The possibility that prefixed [qo] transliterates to /ha/ for Hebrew "the" has been explored. Marco and I have discussed it, and it makes some sense. For example, multiple sequential words in Hebrew can start with /ha/, which mirrors the fact that multiple words beginning [qo] in a sequence. Also, there's a strong suspicion (and a little evidence) that [o] is a vowel. And [q] as /h/ is an interesting idea due to its strict position rules.

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  Torsten > 16-06-2020, 08:24 PM

  (16-06-2020, 07:40 PM)LisaFaginDavis Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.And what does he mean by דּ  and גּ? Do daled and gimel ever actually get a dot? Not in Modern Hebrew, certainly. 

  
  In Hebrew, vowels can appear as dots (see You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.).

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  LisaFaginDavis > 16-06-2020, 08:29 PM

  Yes, of course, but I was referring to his use of the Dagesh to transform letters (e.g. pey/fey, shin/sin). But the real question is whether there are six gallows or four...he distinguishes six, including EVA-p and EVA-f with a slight curl at the end of the crossbar. I'm curious what you all think of that, in terms of frequency and word-placement.

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  LisaFaginDavis > 16-06-2020, 09:01 PM

  Last comment, and then I'll stop! He interprets several EVA substitutions as actually being phonetically correct (just by co-incidence?), like EVA-k and EVA-t (p. 12).

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  Koen G > 16-06-2020, 09:28 PM

  (16-06-2020, 09:01 PM)LisaFaginDavis Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Last comment, and then I'll stop! He interprets several EVA substitutions as actually being phonetically correct (just by co-incidence?), like EVA-k and EVA-t (p. 12).

  
  I'm in no position to comment since I know nothing about Hebrew. But this has got to be at least like an orange flag.
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