Searcher wrote: It is not so easy to answer all these questions, I'll also be brief.
First of all, those characters or group of characters which I consider Latin abbreviations were detected by me before my study of Latin abbreviations. Only few of them, it seems, three correspond to real Latin abbreviations: y - as prefix (cum, con...) and as conjunction (cum); r - as suffixes (tur, ter, tor); l - as ending s, us; the rest is quite another.
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There are more than three shapes that correspond to real Latin abbreviations...
The glyph you interpreted as - s, is, as, es, s(o) (EVA-s) is sometimes used to represent con in both Latin and Spanish when it stands alone and in the VMS, this shape frequently stands alone. In other words, it frequently has a different meaning in Latin when it is alone compared to when it is part of other words.
Searcher wrote: In conclusion, I'd say it is bad idea to use Google Translator with Latin.
I don't use Google translate for translations. I do occasionally use it for a quick scan.
Searcher wrote: You won't know if you don't try yourself. I think this is the best way to check my theory and to make a decision whether it could be or couldn't.
I have tried by myself. I've known these Latin abbreviations for years. I have blogged about them and mentioned them frequently on the forum. Years ago I tried expanding them to create a Latin translation but the STRUCTURE of the VMS "grammar" and the construction of the words is not consistent with Latin conventions.
Here is what I feel is one of the essential tenets of the VMS that is overlooked by many trying to decode it... even if the letter frequency can be interpreted to be similar to Latin (or other languages), the POSITION of the glyphs in the words is very specific and not consistent with natural language. There's no question that the shapes in the VMS are Latin abbreviation shapes that are positionally similar (intentionally so), but that does not mean the intervening text follows natural language patterns for frequency when you also consider the rigidity of the position of the letter-shapes.
The same abbreviations concepts/shapes can be applied to other languages or, alternately, the same shapes can be used for other purposes with the result that the text LOOKS like Latin without necessarily being Latin.
First of all, those characters or group of characters which I consider Latin abbreviations were detected by me before my study of Latin abbreviations. Only few of them, it seems, three correspond to real Latin abbreviations: y - as prefix (cum, con...) and as conjunction (cum); r - as suffixes (tur, ter, tor); l - as ending s, us; the rest is quite another.
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There are more than three shapes that correspond to real Latin abbreviations...
- The three Latin abbreviations -ris -tis and -cis are used frequently at the ends of words in the VMS (as they are in Latin), throughout the document. The distinction between -ris and -tis is not always clear in the VMS (although in some places it is) but the distinction between -cis and -tis/-cis is quite clear and distinct.
- In Latin, the cap abbreviation is frequently used to represent -er- -ir- -re- -ri- or -r- and is used in a similar way in other languages but means different things in those languages.
- The line across/above the letters is sometimes used in the VMS (very infrequently, but it is there).
- In a few places the 9 is superscripted (whether by the main hand or another hand is unclear) which more often in Latin is -os or -us rather than -um, -cum, etc.
The glyph you interpreted as - s, is, as, es, s(o) (EVA-s) is sometimes used to represent con in both Latin and Spanish when it stands alone and in the VMS, this shape frequently stands alone. In other words, it frequently has a different meaning in Latin when it is alone compared to when it is part of other words.
Searcher wrote: In conclusion, I'd say it is bad idea to use Google Translator with Latin.
I don't use Google translate for translations. I do occasionally use it for a quick scan.
Searcher wrote: You won't know if you don't try yourself. I think this is the best way to check my theory and to make a decision whether it could be or couldn't.
I have tried by myself. I've known these Latin abbreviations for years. I have blogged about them and mentioned them frequently on the forum. Years ago I tried expanding them to create a Latin translation but the STRUCTURE of the VMS "grammar" and the construction of the words is not consistent with Latin conventions.
Here is what I feel is one of the essential tenets of the VMS that is overlooked by many trying to decode it... even if the letter frequency can be interpreted to be similar to Latin (or other languages), the POSITION of the glyphs in the words is very specific and not consistent with natural language. There's no question that the shapes in the VMS are Latin abbreviation shapes that are positionally similar (intentionally so), but that does not mean the intervening text follows natural language patterns for frequency when you also consider the rigidity of the position of the letter-shapes.
The same abbreviations concepts/shapes can be applied to other languages or, alternately, the same shapes can be used for other purposes with the result that the text LOOKS like Latin without necessarily being Latin.