Tim King's et al. translation
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(12-07-2019, 04:18 AM)Tim King wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
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(11-07-2019, 03:50 AM)-JKP- wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Deure is not Latin.

Yes it is.

2nd person singular present active imperative of deuro: to burn up, consume, destroy

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I made an effort to try to find it in medieval Latin transliterations before posting. I've learned that just because a word theoretically exists as a tense or declension doesn't mean it was used.


I stand corrected if someone can find a medieval use of it.



The Catalan deure arose sometime in the mid- to late-medieval period, but not from Latin deure, it is said to be via Old Occitan via Latin debeo (via vulgar debere at an earlier time). It is very common for medieval Catalan words to have dropped consonants (I imagine it may have been a very round and sonorous language).



Deure: present imperative second person singular (the only surviving conjugations of the imperative in Vulgar Latin is second person singular and plural) of deuro: to burn up, consume, wither.  Note how they are using terms that denote heat....

Did they use it in medieval literature? Did this exist in medieval times? Usually when I encounter Latin words I can find them fairly readily in medieval Latin documents. I wasn't able to find this one. There are many theoretical declensions and tenses that don't actually show up in any Latin documents because they weren't used, or they had gone out of use by the end of the Roman era.

Plus, I was only using this as an example. There are many proposed words (and a great deal of grammar) that are questionable Latin. I didn't have time to go through them all so I grabbed this one.


Quote:Google translate does not count as a source for Latin.

That was my point. I was trying to determine if "deure" came from actual manuscripts or Latin printed texts. When I couldn't find it in Latin texts, I tried Google translate because I was wondering if that might have been the authors' source. Many of the proposed solutions that we have seen have used Google translate to determine their "Latin" words, so it seemed practical to check if that might have occurred here too.
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Tim King's et al. translation - by Gioynich - 10-07-2019, 10:47 PM
RE: Tim King's et al. translation - by ReneZ - 11-07-2019, 01:22 AM
RE: Tim King's et al. translation - by -JKP- - 11-07-2019, 01:33 AM
RE: Tim King's et al. translation - by -JKP- - 11-07-2019, 01:41 AM
RE: Tim King's et al. translation - by Linda - 11-07-2019, 12:14 PM
RE: Tim King's et al. translation - by Tim King - 12-07-2019, 04:00 AM
RE: Tim King's et al. translation - by Linda - 12-07-2019, 03:51 PM
RE: Tim King's et al. translation - by -JKP- - 11-07-2019, 01:46 AM
RE: Tim King's et al. translation - by -JKP- - 11-07-2019, 03:50 AM
RE: Tim King's et al. translation - by nablator - 11-07-2019, 11:48 AM
RE: Tim King's et al. translation - by -JKP- - 11-07-2019, 05:32 PM
RE: Tim King's et al. translation - by Tim King - 12-07-2019, 04:18 AM
RE: Tim King's et al. translation - by -JKP- - 12-07-2019, 04:32 AM
RE: Tim King's et al. translation - by Koen G - 11-07-2019, 07:42 AM
RE: Tim King's et al. translation - by Davidsch - 11-07-2019, 11:43 AM
RE: Tim King's et al. translation - by Anton - 11-07-2019, 10:34 PM
RE: Tim King's et al. translation - by Gioynich - 12-07-2019, 01:59 AM
RE: Tim King's et al. translation - by -JKP- - 12-07-2019, 05:53 AM
RE: Tim King's et al. translation - by MarcoP - 12-07-2019, 07:26 AM
RE: Tim King's et al. translation - by Linda - 12-07-2019, 04:16 PM
RE: Tim King's et al. translation - by VViews - 12-07-2019, 02:29 PM
RE: Tim King's et al. translation - by -JKP- - 12-07-2019, 02:59 PM
RE: Tim King's et al. translation - by -JKP- - 12-07-2019, 03:15 PM
RE: Tim King's et al. translation - by Koen G - 13-07-2019, 01:22 PM
RE: Tim King's et al. translation - by Anton - 13-07-2019, 02:13 PM
RE: Tim King's et al. translation - by bi3mw - 13-07-2019, 02:52 PM
RE: Tim King's et al. translation - by Anton - 13-07-2019, 03:50 PM
RE: Tim King's et al. translation - by Koen G - 13-07-2019, 04:13 PM
RE: Tim King's et al. translation - by -JKP- - 13-07-2019, 04:27 PM
RE: Tim King's et al. translation - by Linda - 13-07-2019, 05:35 PM
RE: Tim King's et al. translation - by Koen G - 13-07-2019, 05:59 PM
RE: Tim King's et al. translation - by nablator - 13-07-2019, 06:56 PM
RE: Tim King's et al. translation - by Linda - 13-07-2019, 06:08 PM
RE: Tim King's et al. translation - by Linda - 13-07-2019, 07:09 PM
RE: Tim King's et al. translation - by nablator - 14-07-2019, 08:13 PM

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