10-07-2018, 02:33 PM
We discussed it many times, but I don't remember if the next supposition was explored or not.
Thomas Coon wrote:
Ubre is Spanish variant of this word, but I don't exclude that there must be ub[e]ren, if it is Latin accusative, it must be uberem. It is interesting, could be ub[e]ren be transormed uberem, or it means German plural form, just like Eutern.
As for me, I'm not surprised if it is Latin as we see here a few words which pretty well can be Latin. And all we met such mixed medieval texts .
My general questions are:
1) Can an udder (Euter, uber) be folded, rolled, twisted or corrugated (valten / falten)?
2) Can ub[e]ren be a noun in accusative plural, meaning nipples of an udder or it is rather a substitution for Latin uberem?
Thomas Coon wrote:
Quote:As for the meaning of "valden ubren so nim gas mich":So, I don't remember whether the word ubren was considered as adopted or adapted Latin word You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. or not. It seems to me that this could be quite natural to see the word udder (German Euter) in the sentence which ends with the words "so take goat milk".
1) valden:
I'm not sure about the last three letters in valden - but if they are -den:
The online Lexers dictionary entry for "You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view." gives the alternative Middle High German form "valden" - both are present-day "falten" (to fold). If you are looking for some instructions how to apply the spell (wear it on your neck, say three Ave Marias, etc.), then folding something may be an instruction. My paperback copy of Lexers dictionary (33rd edition) confirms that valten / valden are verbs that can mean NHD falten (to fold), zusammenfalten (fold together), or verschränken (to interlace or cross, e.g. arms / fingers / legs or sides of paper)
Ubre is Spanish variant of this word, but I don't exclude that there must be ub[e]ren, if it is Latin accusative, it must be uberem. It is interesting, could be ub[e]ren be transormed uberem, or it means German plural form, just like Eutern.
As for me, I'm not surprised if it is Latin as we see here a few words which pretty well can be Latin. And all we met such mixed medieval texts .
My general questions are:
1) Can an udder (Euter, uber) be folded, rolled, twisted or corrugated (valten / falten)?
2) Can ub[e]ren be a noun in accusative plural, meaning nipples of an udder or it is rather a substitution for Latin uberem?


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