19-02-2016, 09:13 PM
Thanks Rene,
I see it now. #9 is supported by #10 (obscured) and #11 (out of frame).
The proposed Swiss connection comes from the posting by VViews, which identified that photo as the "Alte Suidtersche pharmacy in Lucerne" circa 1833 . I looked at the Swiss geographical insignia because that was what I could find.
The newer illustration you posted, shows a number of patterns in escutcheon and the majority of these are geometric. Those few remaining are not clear enough to be identified as anything in particular, geometric or representational. And I would not make *any* claim about them one way or the other.
Thanks to Helmut, a colorized version of this same illustration shows replica of these same insignia with applications of red, green, black pigments, but strangely there is no blue. Compare this with the original photo where the shelves are filled with blue and white jars. Is this coloration really valid?
It would appear that the escutcheon patterns found on pharmaceutical jars are *not* geographic and not familial heraldry. The suggestion of religious associations has been made, but so far Dominican, Cistercian, Carmelite, and Jesuit insignia patterns are out.
So the same challenge remains, and Helmut's colorized patterns can be included, find one clear pattern on a pharmaceutical jar that can be definitively and exclusively connected to *something* relevant to the illustration - such as what the jar contains, or whatever. Better yet, find a relevant system by which these patterns can be understood in a pharmaceutical interpretation.
While this investigation of pharmaceutical patterns is interesting, the relevance to the patterns found on the tubs in the VMs Zodiac appears to be very minimal. These tub patterns demonstrate nine different, *named*, traditional heraldic patterns and present half a dozen different potential historical connections. And therefore my contention is that this VMs evidence supports the use of heraldry as an investigative premise and the pursuit of that premise results in historical grounding.
I see it now. #9 is supported by #10 (obscured) and #11 (out of frame).
The proposed Swiss connection comes from the posting by VViews, which identified that photo as the "Alte Suidtersche pharmacy in Lucerne" circa 1833 . I looked at the Swiss geographical insignia because that was what I could find.
The newer illustration you posted, shows a number of patterns in escutcheon and the majority of these are geometric. Those few remaining are not clear enough to be identified as anything in particular, geometric or representational. And I would not make *any* claim about them one way or the other.
Thanks to Helmut, a colorized version of this same illustration shows replica of these same insignia with applications of red, green, black pigments, but strangely there is no blue. Compare this with the original photo where the shelves are filled with blue and white jars. Is this coloration really valid?
It would appear that the escutcheon patterns found on pharmaceutical jars are *not* geographic and not familial heraldry. The suggestion of religious associations has been made, but so far Dominican, Cistercian, Carmelite, and Jesuit insignia patterns are out.
So the same challenge remains, and Helmut's colorized patterns can be included, find one clear pattern on a pharmaceutical jar that can be definitively and exclusively connected to *something* relevant to the illustration - such as what the jar contains, or whatever. Better yet, find a relevant system by which these patterns can be understood in a pharmaceutical interpretation.
While this investigation of pharmaceutical patterns is interesting, the relevance to the patterns found on the tubs in the VMs Zodiac appears to be very minimal. These tub patterns demonstrate nine different, *named*, traditional heraldic patterns and present half a dozen different potential historical connections. And therefore my contention is that this VMs evidence supports the use of heraldry as an investigative premise and the pursuit of that premise results in historical grounding.