If it feels like an Alberti Cipher it is one!
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(04-05-2017, 11:59 PM)nickpelling wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
(04-05-2017, 03:33 PM)coded wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
(04-05-2017, 01:52 PM)nickpelling wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.An Alberti cipher is one of the things we can be sure Voynichese is not. In fact, the two are close to opposites in all useful senses.

Hi Nick,

Are you suggesting this statement, because of the carbon dating?  This cipher does in fact eliminate a frequency analysis which would indicate this mechanism.  Why are they opposites can you explain the vague statement?

Using a cipher disk to encipher a plaintext will inevitably produce ciphertext where (a) the letter frequencies are very much the same as each other ("flat"), and (b) where there are no obvious letter-to-letter structures ("unstructured"). Voynichese, by way of comparison, is not flat at all and is also highly structured (and in many different and unexpected ways).

So... no. I'm making this simple and direct statement (a) because it's true, and (b) because you're wasting everyone's time here by posting these claims here.
Nick there is no time like now  Angel

I agree to disagree with your comment about the cipher encryption for it is highly random.  What's intriguing about it is how the VMS glyphs are arranged.  It allows for some vords that are the same, to have different latin word equivalents which is hard to wrap your head around but the cipher keys (encrypted words) will always be different thus making it unstoppable, but this is a highly rare occurrence!  Your going to have to analyze this cipher with a deeper pint of Guinness once all the VMS glyph's are in there proper positions.  What your looking at is not flat by no means unless you can prove it, once I'm finished with it you can run a frequency analysis on it to see if it will spell out Latin words.  I think not though you will have a rough go about it and it will simply be just like the VMS is perfectly. Nick you are on my dime I did the work so time is of the essence.

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Also each single word has its own encryption which makes this special, because the Author of the VMS would go about encrypting one word at a time and this is no Caesar cipher!  Once a full page is decoded in Latin with proper syntax then those other words could be tried in other folios to see if they make grammatical sense.  That is what I'm shooting for Mr. Pelling and one would wonder if this is it, you should be happy for me.  If we get a reading of at least 3 folios we may have hit the Zenith of Mt. Everest!

Quote:Compared to previous ciphers of the time the Alberti Cipher was impossible to break without knowledge of the method. This was because the You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. of the letters was masked and You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. - the only known technique for attacking ciphers at that time - was no help.

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RE: If it feels like an Alberti Cipher it is one! - by coded - 05-05-2017, 12:24 AM

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