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| [split] Sumerian/Babylonian sacred marriage |
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Posted by: tadji - 05-02-2026, 03:33 PM - Forum: The Slop Bucket
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Bonjour à tous,
Je souhaite partager une hypothèse de travail concernant le manuscrit de Voynich (MS 408). Plutôt que de rechercher une langue européenne codée ou un herbier standard, j'ai exploré la possibilité que le manuscrit soit une préservation phonétique d'un ancien rituel oriental .
Voici le cœur de la théorie :
1. Contexte : Un grimoire « faiseur de rois ». Mon hypothèse est que le manuscrit ne décrit pas la nature, mais plutôt la préparation du Mariage Sacré (Hieros Gamos) de la tradition mésopotamienne (Sumer/Babylone). Ce rituel, impliquant l'union du roi et de la Grande Prêtresse (incarnant Ishtar/Inanna), était destiné à conférer au souverain pouvoir divin et légitimité royale. Le manuscrit pourrait être une tentative médiévale ou de la Renaissance de préserver ce savoir interdit (« comment devenir un dieu ») en le codant phonétiquement.
2. Linguistique : La piste phonétique La structure du texte pourrait être une translittération phonétique approximative de termes akkadiens ou sumériens par un scribe qui ne comprenait pas la langue originale. - Exemple : Le célèbre incipit
oror shedy
pourrait dériver de racines sémitiques liées à Shadû (Montagne / Seigneur / Tout-Puissant), marquant le début d'une invocation plutôt que d'une phrase grammaticale.
3. Les « Rosettes » : Architecture, non Biologie. Le complexe folio des Rosettes est souvent interprété comme une carte ou une cellule. Je propose qu'il s'agisse d'une représentation en perspective aplatie d'une ziggourat et de son complexe de temples. C'est le lieu géographique du rituel. Le scribe a dessiné les murs circulaires comme des pétales, mêlant architecture orientale et motifs floraux.
4. Balnéologie et absence des hommes. Les nombreuses femmes nues (nymphes) représentent les prêtresses ( Qadishtu ) dans les bains rituels souterrains ( Apsû ). Les systèmes de tuyauterie complexes symbolisent la circulation des fluides sacrés nécessaires à la cérémonie. L'absence quasi totale d'hommes s'explique simplement : le lecteur est le protagoniste masculin . Le livre est un manuel pratique destiné à celui qui doit s'unir à la Déesse.
5. Botanique : Ingrédients, non espèces. Les plantes « chimériques » sont représentées pour illustrer leur fonction magique ou psychotrope (dans les huiles d’onction et les vins rituels) plutôt que leur morphologie réelle. Le scribe illustrait littéralement les effets décrits oralement (par exemple, « racine de lion », « fleur de lune »).
Conclusion : Le manuscrit de Voynich pourrait être un guide d'auto-déification , codé pour échapper à l'Inquisition car son contenu est doublement hérétique : il est païen (centré sur Ishtar) et prétend élever l'homme au statut de dieu par la magie sexuelle.
J'aimerais beaucoup connaître votre avis, surtout s'il y a parmi vous des linguistes qui pourraient tester les correspondances phonétiques entre le « voynichais » et l'akkadien/sumérien sur la base de ce cadre rituel.
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The text of Voynich MS 408 was generated by a 15th century Volvelle. |
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Posted by: PandaRosa - 04-02-2026, 02:12 PM - Forum: The Slop Bucket
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Hi everyone,
For over a century, linguists and cryptographers have failed to translate the Voynich Manuscript. I am proposing that they have failed because they are making a category error: they are trying to read a Machine Output as if it were a natural language. Full academic paper: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
I have developed a method that reverse-engineers the manuscript not as a text, but as the result of a 15th-century mechanical device.
Here is why this is the only explanation that fits the data:
1. Proof It Is Not a "Story" (The Jaccard Anomaly) You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
If you write a story, you naturally connect sentences. If line 1 is about a "cat," line 2 usually mentions "it" or "meow." In statistics, we measure this connection using the Jaccard Similarity Index. Normal Language: Has a score of roughly 0.35. Words flow and repeat naturally to build context. The Voynich Manuscript: Has a score of 0.02. almost 0.
What does this mean? It means the "author" of the Voynich Manuscript had total amnesia after every single line. There is zero narrative connection between lines. This is impossible for a human writing a story.
2. The Code Structure: The PRS Formula
If you look closely at the Voynich text, you will see that every single "word" follows a rigid, unbreakable structure. In my research, I call this the PRS Architecture:
[Prefix] + [Root] + [Suffix]
Think of it like a slot machine with three wheels. You cannot put the third wheel first. The structure is physically locked.
Prefix (The Action): e.g., qo- (Instrumental use / "Use tool")
Root (The Material): e.g., -ke- (Heat / Thermal)
Suffix (The State): e.g., -dy (Measurement / Dose)
Example: The common word qokedy is not a random word. It is a constructed command: qo (Action) + ke (Heat) + dy (Measure) = "Measure the application of heat." These meanings are taken solely and exclusively from Cappelli's Latin abbreviations: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
This rule holds true across the entire manuscript. Natural languages are flexible; the Voynich Manuscript is rigid.
3. The Only Explanation: The "Syntaxis Volvella"
How do we explain a text that has no memory (Jaccard Anomaly) and a rigid 3-part structure (PRS)?
The text was generated by a Volvelle (a Cipher Wheel) You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
We know these devices existed in the 15th century (like the Alberti Disk). My theory posits that the scribe was not "writing" in a creative sense. He was an industrial operator observing a chemical process.
The Workflow:
1. Event: The operator sees the liquid boiling.
2. Encryption: He uses the device (The Volvelle). He aligns the Action Ring to "Process," the Root Ring to "Heat," and the State Ring to "Measure."
3. Output: He writes down the resulting string: qokedy.
This explains why there are no corrections in the entire book. You don't "edit" a logbook entry generated by a machine; you just spin the wheel and write the next data point.
Conclusion The Voynich Manuscript a chemical and pharmaceutical database encrypted via a mechanical Volvella.
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| A Round-Trip Encoding Model for the Voynich Manuscript |
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Posted by: justinpincar - 03-02-2026, 03:45 AM - Forum: The Slop Bucket
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We present a round-trip encoding model for the Voynich manuscript—a bidirectional system achieving 99.6% coverage across 38,204 words. The model describes the encoding as Cₙ = f(Pₙ, Pₙ₋₁), where ciphertext depends on both the current and previous abstract plaintext symbols. We identify an alphabet of 21 symbols with 18 word-initial classes, demonstrate deterministic decryption, and validate through cross-validation (97.4%). Unlike prior generative approaches, our model produces exact original ciphertext through round-trip transformation: decrypt(encrypt(P)) = P. The abstract plaintext symbols are structural placeholders—we identify the encoding mechanism but not the underlying language. External evidence is needed to complete any decipherment.
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| IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT (well, sort of) |
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Posted by: Jorge_Stolfi - 01-02-2026, 01:40 PM - Forum: Theories & Solutions
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Hi all,
I think I made an important discovery about the VMS. Not a theory, interpretation, guess, etc, but a fact. As certain as it could be.
Following a famous tradition, let me announce it as an anagram:
ANIMUS NE IDEAS
This stratagem was used in the Renaissance by several scientists to announce their discoveries to friends. Galileo used it twice in letters to Kepler, to announce his discovery of the phases of Venus and of the rings of Saturn (although he had no idea of what the latter were). I recall some other astronomer (Huygens perhaps?) using it to announce a similar discovery (moons of Saturn?).
The primary purpose of these anagrams was to secure the claim to priority, without revealing the discovery itself. The method could have two additional pluses: it avoided triggering any kind of "Holy Inquisition" that may see it, and it saved the author from embarrassment if he later found that the discovery was a dud. I am counting on both pluses here.
The author generally tried to make the anagram itself be a Latin sentence. But, as in my case, the attempt usually was less than successful. The result usually had stilted grammar and strained words. (I asked Google AI if my anagram above was proper Latin, and it gave me a page-long scolding like that of the centurion in Life of Brian. For one thing, it said that "ideas" is not Latin but Greek.) Sometimes the author gave up and ended the anagram with a nonsense string of leftover consonants, like one's tray at the end of a game of Scrabble.
Because of these features, especially the last one, back in 2000 or so I entertained the idea that the You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. text could be such thing: an anagram of some text that the author wanted to hide, but still be able to prove that he wrote it, if and when needed. It would explain the strained words, the nonsensical sentence, the "leftover" letters... But I concluded that it was unlikely for several reasons; and now that I have seen the UV image of that page, I have a much better explanation, that is almost certain too.)
Anyway, thanks for reading. I will announce here the discovery and its evidence, in the plain and in detail, in the near future.
All the best, --stolfi
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| word structures and systems 2.0 |
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Posted by: Petrasti - 31-01-2026, 10:39 PM - Forum: Analysis of the text
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In my previous thread (You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.) I tried to explain which structures I recognize as repetitions in the manuscript. It's actually a somewhat more complex approach; I've put the words, along with a few selected particles or prefixes, into a table to illustrate this more clearly. There are two recurring patterns. The first involves the changing particles before words (prefixes); the second shows that the gallow signs before or inside the "ch" sound doesn't belong to the word itself (as still in the first prefix system mentioned). Maybe the table will help clarify the structure. However, both systems belong together, because the system of prefixes makes the repeating of prefixes visible, and the system of gallows signs further expands the system of prefixes. At the end of the thread, I'll add a language option. My aim here isn't to prove the existence of a language, but rather to demonstrate a repeating system. The language example is simply meant to show that there are languages that behave according to the belwo mentioned system (not for the structure of complete manuscript)
the general system of prefixes:
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the system of the gellow signs before and between ch
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I'll give you an example from Aramaic just as a brief aside. (I'm not convinced by it myself) but it illustrates the possibility.
(the aramaic translation and grammar is made by AL, errores included)
voynich word: char - EVA translation: chal Aramaic: chal = eat!
ychal = achal = he ate
ochal = ochal = he eats (eating)
qochal = kochal = he ist eating (Present continuous). The prefix "K-" or "Ko-" is the standard marker for the present tense
tchal = tchal = you eat / she eat
chchal = nchal =we eat
lchal = lchal = to eat
pchal = pchal = he will eat
chaly = chala = she ate
lchal = lchal = to eat
ty l-ochal = ta lchal = come to eat
odain o ochal = odan u-ochal = we made the food
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| The theory that we will never know what the VMS is |
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Posted by: JustAnotherTheory - 31-01-2026, 10:12 PM - Forum: Theories & Solutions
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It is "said" that about 10% of all medieval mansucripts are lost forever. This includes the work of most European scribes. Only a very few portion of of copyists, or originals, survive to this day (2026).
Therefore it stands to reason if there existed an inspiration for some of the VMS' werid folios, like those in the balneary section, we will
NEVER
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| The letter ‘K’ as a mark of origin? |
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Posted by: Petrasti - 30-01-2026, 04:41 PM - Forum: Analysis of the text
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If we look at the manuscript and the letters, we see the k, which is transcribed as ‘k’ in EVA. As the letters have similarities with the Latin script, the ‘k’ as such is also recognised as ‘k’. (of course it could be something else, so any issue is debatable until the final solution). In EVA the ch is transcribed as "ch", which I personally see differently, because if the ch is a "ch", we would have to find some more words that are written with "c". But these are rare. So if the scribes used the letter “K” as a consonant instead of the “C”, the question is, in which region was a "K" used instead of a "C"? Or in which language in the period between 1380-1460 was the “K” used instead of the “C”? So it doesn't matter whether we start from a natural language or a cipher, even with a cipher the question is the same: why did the scribes use the “K” and not the “C”? If it were a Latin script, wouldn't the “K” be predominantly a “C”? The same applies to the Romance languages, as they were modelled on the Latin script tradition.
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| Palatino 766 pipes, pools, cliffs, streams... (by Taccola) |
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Posted by: Koen G - 29-01-2026, 07:50 PM - Forum: Imagery
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You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. a link to Palatino 766 You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
I'm opening a new thread about it, because I think we'll need it. One of the sources for Q13 must have been an engineering manuscript much like this one (remember also the fountain discussion earlier).
See this folio: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
A bridge with a pipe pumping water over a valley from a lake to the city. A small waterway connects the lake to the river in the valley.
The river comes down from the top of the page and runs vertically to the bottom, with a curve to the bottom right.
It cuts into the landscape, leaving a deep, undulating shoreline.
A technique of parallel lines is used so shade the cliffs.
Am I describing a page from a renaissance book of engineering, or from VM f75r? Well, apart from the end point of the bridge, apparently both.
The artistic techniques employed are similar as well. The cliffs' faces are done with vertical parallel lines. Water in small streams has long lines inside that run parallel with the shorelines.
Another page that caught my eye is this one: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
Notice the outlet, the inlet, the smooth raised basin, the segmented pipes arching in from the mountains...
There are other things in the MS as well, similar to the fountain we discussed earlier: long, vertical pipes with water coming out, which is quite rare in manuscripts. But Q13 does seem to be inspired by it.
I talked to Marco about this, and he suspects there's a decent chance these images are original to the 1432-1433 manuscript by Taccola. If true, this would have implications about the VM.
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but I am curious to hear current views.
![[Image: 250px-Ancient-egyptian-sundial.jpg]](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/aa/Ancient-egyptian-sundial.jpg/250px-Ancient-egyptian-sundial.jpg)