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Article on the VMS by Lisa Fagin Davis in the Washington Post Posted by: arca_libraria - 14-08-2019, 05:56 PM - Forum: News - Replies (4) I follow Lisa Fagin Davis on twitter and earlier today she tweeted that she had written a piece in the Washington Post about the VMS and all the people who try to solve it: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. I think it's a really interesting and well written piece and might perhaps even signal her opinion of one or two of the potential solutions that haven't been made fully public yet.   The meaning of the rosettes folio, the Voynich MS and everything Posted by: ReneZ - 13-08-2019, 03:32 PM - Forum: Imagery - Replies (20) (No the answer won't be 42 or 56. More like 8). OK, please all be aware that the following is speculation. I like it but it may very well be completely wrong. This links the meaning of the rosettes diagram to the rest of the book, and gives a tentative explanation what was the purpose of the book. Looking at the centre there are, what I considered before, six tower-like objects carrying the sky. I changed my mind on that. In the present interpretation, I propose that these are medicine containers. Just like in the pharmaceutical / small plants section. [Of course, there are also much simpler containers there, but I could imagine that the book could include low-quality or cheap medicine in these, and high-quality or expensive medicine in the elaborate containers. That isn't critical. My suggestion is that the entire diagram illustrates where the power of this medicine comes from]. The sky above the containers is the sky or the universe, through which the medicine receives its power. This power is transmitted through the sky via eight channels from eight sources. These are the outer circles, which all have some pipes or other connectors that transmit whatever power it is they have. In that sense, the figure as a whole may be closely related to f68v3 , the so-called spiral galaxy, which also shows eight channels connecting the earth (T-O map) with the sky/universe. If only we could read the text in these eight channels. One of the eight influences seems to be Earth (upper right). Another interesting one is in the upper left corner, which looks a lot like the plant of You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. . The four circles that are not in the corner are similar to some individual diagrams in the cosmo section, and I have no idea of course what they represent. It could be quite a weird cosmology that the author had put together. As a whole, this could suggest that this picture puts together why the medicine of the owner of the book is superior. (Especially the expensive stuff in the fancy bottles). Who knows he really was selling concoctions in such flasks. The remainder of the sections in the MS would have their expected meaning, explaining the individual herbs, the way the composites are combined, the astrology needed for calculating the day and time to take the medicine, and possibly the incantations / spells to recite, at the end of the book. Oddly enough, this could work both in case the MS has a meaningful text, or in case it is a medieval hoax. So it would be nice if some evidence was found of a late medieval quack who was selling medicine in such fancy bottles.   Log Man... Posted by: -JKP- - 11-08-2019, 01:23 AM - Forum: Imagery - Replies (19) I only have five minutes and then I have to get to a meeting, so this has to be quick, but I thought it might be worth a dedicated thread... I've never been able to figure out this guy on You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. :     One of the things I've seen in medieval manuscripts that might be similar to this image is engineers using stakes and logs to build fording aids so soldiers or travelers can get across rough streams by sidling along the log and using it to grasp and balance. But... since we're also looking at Christian-themed possibilities in the last few threads, I thought I would add this. Not all images of the crucifixion have the same kinds of crosses. I've seen several different arrangements of the two thieves with their arms behind their backs or above the logs as in this example. It's not exactly like the VMS pic, and there's only one log man in the VMS, but hey, if we are exploring ideas, might as well post it to get the thread doing...              7th century Coptic crucifixion BL Or 6796; Dortmund c. 1475 by Derick Baegert (public domain)     Vaux Passional, National Library of Wales Penarth MS 482D, c. 1503 No, it's not quite the same arrangement, I offer it simply as food for thought and discussion.   Dukes of Burgundy: Library Posted by: R. Sale - 11-08-2019, 12:56 AM - Forum: Voynich Talk - No Replies Since the VMs critter of You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. is an interesting comparison with the image from the "Apocalypse of S. Jean"  (1313, Liege). And since the Apocalypse text was in the library of Phillip the Good, Duke of Burgundy (d. 1467), perhaps it will help to know more about the library. So far, it's a work in progress. Any help appreciated. Some info here: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. From this source, most of the books in the library of Philip the Good were commissioned after 1445. The Apocalypse was created in 1313. Philip the Bold (1342-1404), grandfather of Philip the Good, was also a bibliophile, as was Margaret of Flanders, the wife of Philip the Bold, and she brought with her the book collection of the counts of Flanders. On the basis of chronology and geography, this may be a better source for how the 1313 Apocalypse entered the collection. It would also be interesting to know which texts by Nicole Oresme were in the Burgundian collection.   Revisiting f46v Posted by: Koen G - 10-08-2019, 04:09 PM - Forum: Imagery - Replies (1) I was wondering whether a similar strategy David used on the "coins" folio could be applied to understand You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (with the bird root).  I'm pretty certain that the bird represents the Holy Spirit (it's even got the halo) with "God rays" is it descends. Within the Arma Christi mindset I saw this most logically referring to Pentecost, when the Spirit descended on the 11 remaining apostles. But the rest of the plant is hard to understand in this context. However... if we apply his suggestion of converting flower counts to bible verse, we get a clear 1:7.     Here's Mark 1:7-10. Quote:7 And this was [John the Baptist's] message: “After me comes the one more powerful than I, the straps of whose sandals I am not worthy to stoop down and untie. 8 I baptize you with water, but he will baptize you with the Holy Spirit.” 9 At that time Jesus came from Nazareth in Galilee and was baptized by John in the Jordan. 10 Just as Jesus was coming up out of the water, he saw heaven being torn open and the Spirit descending on him like a dove. ” What do the leaves look like?     There's also the flower stalk shaped like a shepherd's crook, but this is harder to explain. John the Baptist was often given a staff, but this was one with a cross on top. I found only one image where he has a shepherd's crook (though many where he is holding a lamb). This 6th century mosaic You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. In summary: does this folio refer to the baptism of Christ?       Koen's Arma Christi theory - discussion of f34v (coins) Posted by: davidjackson - 09-08-2019, 05:01 PM - Forum: Imagery - Replies (31) So this is a very "way out" theory that just occurred to me whilst looking at You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. which in Koen's arma christi theory may represent the 30 pieces of silver. Yes, there are only 29 coins in this depiction. Koen suggests that maths may not be part of the illustrators talent set. We put this to one side for a moment. The imagery is unusual, as we have the very strong red roots underneath the plant, drawn around a hole in the parchment, which appear to be sprouting a wheat-like plant: And above we have some tessellated plant heads Now, in Christian tradition, the 30 pieces of silver were used to buy Potter's field or You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view., "the field of blood" a piece of land later used by the synogogue as a cemetery for non-Jews. Judas of Iscariot is reputed to have died there: Quote:According to the You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.) Judas "acquired a field with the reward of his unjust deed, and falling headfirst he burst open in the middle and all his intestines gushed out. This became known to all who lived in Jerusalem, so that in their own language they called that field Hakeldama, that is, 'Field of Blood.'" Luke repeats this story: he [Judas] fell dead head long and his heart burst and his intestines spilt out. Now, it is not beyond the realms of possibility to imagine that we are looking at the fields of blood, around a hole in the parchment which represents the heart of Judas, which had exploded in the horror of what he had done to Jesus. We now come to the thistle and wheat. Thistles and other common weeds amongst wheat are a typical Christian motif showing the effects of Satan and evil; the thistle makes the wheat unproductive, and is allowed to grow because of the farmer's neglect for his own care. 'Let thistles grow up to me instead of wheat, and thorns instead of barley' [Job 31:40]. So, if we assume these to be coins, then the roots, barley and thistles all join together in a Christian allegory: the return of the coins, the purchase of the fields of blood using this money and the effects of Satan upon the heart of Judas. A new Theory about Voynich MS Posted by: raven - 08-08-2019, 07:46 PM - Forum: Theories & Solutions - Replies (58) Dear friends hello! In a short time, a new theory about Voynich Manuscript is going to announce from this youtube channel:  You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view..  We think that we solved this mystery! It's not just reading some words! It is about finding Voynich Manuscript's culturel origin, geographical origin and mithological origin. At the end of the process, we will announce the grammar. We will read some sample paragraphs and we will give a Voynich MS dictionary! But of course, the experts in the field and you are the decision-makers. My goal is to make an arbitrator of my claims, and to ensure that you participate in these discussions. Please subscribe to my channel if you would like to follow the latest developments. Believe me that comments, views and criticisms. Please follow us and participate in this discussion. Lots of love! (Note: I don't know it is forbidden or not. If i'm making a mistake, please excuse me )   The return of the "Voynich faked it" theory Posted by: ReneZ - 08-08-2019, 06:21 PM - Forum: Provenance & history - Replies (16) In recent weeks, the animal on You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. was a 'hot topic' on a large number of Voynich blogs. In this forum the discussion tends to concentrate on the possibility it is a ram or a lamb. In other places, the idea that it could be a armadillo figured prominently, with the suggestion that this would be a sign of a modern fake by Voynich. More recently, at the blog of Rich Santacoloma the 'modern fake' topic was picked up again, with additional comments on the blog of Klaus Schmeh. I don't really like to discuss this very much. The reason is that I had endless discussions about this on the Voynich mailing list, that led absolutely nowhere. Of all the people reading here, I think that at least David Jackson, Helmut Winkler and 'voynichbombe' saw all that. (It's a guess, sorry if I got it wrong). Now I would not want people to be misled. The issue whether any object is a fake is far from trivial. Fakes exist and there have been surprising, even embarrassing cases. It is not a matter of 'belief' but a matter of close study and analysis. At some point I decided to summarise the reasons that the Voynich MS is almost certainly a genuine late medieval manuscript at You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. . Rich devoted his last blog post to this page. While it is not short, I would say it is quite 'condensed' and many things could have been written more expansively. Also, whenever new information is available, I will update the page including this. The page does not address the specific arguments of Rich. That is done at You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. . I never made this second link known, simply because I don't particularly like to 'fuel the discussion'. However, it is there and, more than the first one, this page expresses my opinions. What I want to say is, that these pages explain my views and the reason why I think that the Voynich MS is a genuine late medieval document, beyond reasonable doubt. Of course, anyone can form their own opinion. As I have written before, here and elsewhere, there will always be people who believe, or are convinced that the MS is a modern fake by Voynich. So be it. There are many theories about the Voynich MS, and their credibility ranges from possible, through unlikely, to really not sensible. For me, this one is at the far end of the spectrum.   The Arma Christi [General discussion] Posted by: -JKP- - 06-08-2019, 09:13 PM - Forum: Imagery - Replies (170) Koen introduced the Arma Christi in relation to the mandorla-shaped images of wounds, and the interesting double-helix style of rope on the pole (see Oak and Ivy thread). I thought I would split off a general discussion of the Arma Christi because there are some very interesting additional features associated with this imagery. Apparently Arma Christi images were not simply for recording and teaching religious history. The Arma Christi had a particular role as a talismanic concept. It provided protection for those carrying it in case they should die without having been confessed. Thus, the portable versions will often include a long list of names of Christ and the commonly added crosses between each name (think 116v in the VMS, and medieval charms in general). Perhaps by association (since death was a real possibility for any medieval woman who was about to give birth), it was also supposed to provide protection for childbearing. I can imagine it might be very helpful for someone going into battle since death loomed on the battlefield and priests weren't always available to give everyone last rites. Here's another Arma Christi image courtesy of Zde, Wikimedia, from the Passional of Abbess Kunigunde [Prague, c. 1320]: I doesn't have the helical ropes (they are spiral-twining), but note the tongs/forceps near the bottom. It's not the same shape as the "forceps" tool in the VMS, but the VMS forceps has always reminded me of childbirth, but I don't know when they actually started using forceps to birth babies (might not be until the 19th or 20th centuries). The VMS "forceps" is not the right shape to be a compass (the tines are curved), but it might be an instrument for measuring. I think I MIGHT have seen a medieval drawing of forceps used in a caesarian section, but I'm not sure if I'm remembering it correctly. Maybe it's a compass, but drawn in an odd way.   Phonetic Kabbalistic interpretations Posted by: Monica Yokubinas - 04-08-2019, 06:20 PM - Forum: Codicology and Paleography - No Replies Here is a page and quote showing the phonetic, Kabbalistic interpretations and comparisons of 3 famous spell bowls. Quite an interesting difference in lettering and wording; all with the same meaning. "We mark how magical terms which once had a meaning become blurred and obscured at the hands of generations of sorcerers and coyists, until sense becomes nonsense, or simple word or phrase receives a kabbalistic interpretations." You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. opps, forgot to say it is from the same study 'Aramaic Incantation Texts from Nippur' by James A. Montgomery 1913 First Previous Next Last