The Voynich Ninja

The forger Michael Voynich of MS-408 designed folio 70r2 to be complicated, so I'll do my best to explain.  The eyes of folio 70r2 what I'm calling a female are pointing to the East! What I found was an "S" which I believe he the forger, is implying for South.  There are several You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. in there.

Once again the date is April 30, 1006 for the supernova and this is Tuscany.

Looking to the South I found Deo to indicate from there 5 times in Latin meaning Goddess or God in Latin for dar in eva You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. in glyphs.  These placements of dar look like Taurus next to Pleiades for Goddess. If you translate eva You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. my way its Octoeo so I think, because Wilfred is born in Octoessr, he believes himself to be a God.  This is where it's sort of complex, but I think you'll get it.  So you are on the hunt by looking to the East and found South the "S" a Pleaides Goddess.  Next to that are the horns of Taurus and they are drawn in below.  The five instances of deo or Octoeo for eva dar are about the astrological planets about to rise in the east, Saturn, Jupiter, Venus, Sun and Mercury symbolizing dar.

Also on stellarium Taurus horns are wrapped around Venus the Goddess planet.
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In a major way this also verifies my cipher.  The folio 70r2 takes place at night.

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(18-04-2026, 11:42 PM)oeesordy Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The Arizona AMS Laboratory radio carbon dated the Shroud of Turin which is 200 years off in a sample and the Voynich which is 60 years off in a sample.  However I'm claiming it to be 400 years off so who is wrong and right?  Maybe f68 is two hundred years off according too Rene Zandbergen.  This is not an exact science folks.

You are wrong, and the carbon dating is right.

Carbon dating isn't exact, but it isn't just off by 400 years here and there. That's not how it works. There are error margins statistically baked into the process, along with well known historical C14 measurements that help calibrate the age. 

Even if you doubt the final range of dates that were calculated using statistics (as I do), the dating of the individual sheets do NOT align with the year 1005AD. There is simply no chance of that being the case.

To be extremely clear, according to the data there is a 0% chance of a date from 1005AD. The absolutely oldest it could technically possibly be is from around ~1300AD. The oldest it could reasonably be is ~1350AD, although this would still be very unlikely.

(26-04-2026, 02:52 PM)eggyk Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.To be extremely clear, according to the data there is a 0% chance of a date from 1005AD. The absolutely oldest it could technically possibly be is from around ~1300AD. The oldest it could reasonably be is ~1350AD, although this would still be very unlikely.

Agreed.  An error that big would require a major bungling, like mixing up the VMS samples with those of some other book.  Or the technician bumping on a dial and throwing the calibration of the equipment completely off scale. For all four measurements.

However, the VMS could be a copy made in the 1400s of an original created in 1005AD.  That could perhaps explain the cheap vellum and amateurish scribing, which seem incompatible with the amount of work that would have gone into composing the contents.  It also could explain some egregious scribal mistakes, like the rosary beads turned into tennis balls and the urine exam jar turned into perfume bottle on f85r2.

 (I don't think it is the case, but I don't see how this possibility could be excluded.)

All the best, --stolfi

(26-04-2026, 03:17 PM)Jorge_Stolfi Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.However, the VMS could be a copy made in the 1400s of an original created in 1005AD.  That could perhaps explain the cheap vellum and amateurish scribing, which seem incompatible with the amount of work that would have gone into composing the contents.  It also could explain some egregious scribal mistakes, like the rosary beads turned into tennis balls and the urine exam jar turned into perfume bottle on f85r2.

Yeah, I have actually been actively considering that possibility (although not really from 1005AD), but I don't have enough proper evidence for it yet. 

It's relevant though to oeesordy's theory. If the carbon dating is accepted, is the theory that voynich used 15th century parchment to forge a document that details a 1006AD supernova which nobody can read? For what possible purpose, ego, insanity or otherwise, would this be worth doing?  

Frankly, i'm not sure what this theory actually is. It seems all over the place.

(26-04-2026, 05:15 PM)eggyk Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Frankly, i'm not sure what this theory actually is. It seems all over the place.

You have no idea. Google Tom O'Neil Voynich theory.

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(26-04-2026, 05:15 PM)eggyk Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Frankly, i'm not sure what this theory actually is. It seems all over the place.

You have no idea. Google Tom O'Neil Voynich theory.

Yes in the past due to my obsession I have been all over the map with the Voynich Manuscript.  The manuscript is complex.  If you take your time and read every post in this thread of mine you will see that it Wilfred Voynich used 11th and 15th century deception to weave his story.  He went to a library to do this.  There are several star charts I have explained through out this thread which have a deep connection with my cipher and the imagery.  They show the nature of You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. that Wilfred employed; they were viral in 1907-9 MS-408.  Yes my past is filled with misinterpretation, however that does not take away from this post, any of those books are out of publishing. I admit I have been fooled by the forger many times but not now.

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(26-04-2026, 03:17 PM)Jorge_Stolfi Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.However, the VMS could be a copy made in the 1400s of an original created in 1005AD.  That could perhaps explain the cheap vellum and amateurish scribing, which seem incompatible with the amount of work that would have gone into composing the contents.  It also could explain some egregious scribal mistakes, like the rosary beads turned into tennis balls and the urine exam jar turned into perfume bottle on f85r2.

Yeah, I have actually been actively considering that possibility (although not really from 1005AD), but I don't have enough proper evidence for it yet. 

It's relevant though to oeesordy's theory. If the carbon dating is accepted, is the theory that voynich used 15th century parchment to forge a document that details a 1006AD supernova which nobody can read? For what possible purpose, ego, insanity or otherwise, would this be worth doing?  

Frankly, i'm not sure what this theory actually is. It seems all over the place.

What a mess and a tangled web to weave by Voynich the whole provenance is a misdirection on purpose to hold the enigma.  Wilfred Voynich wanted this to be a lost tomb till humanities end. The clues were left there for purpose for that reason his ego he wanted his finger print on it.  Yet I have concluded that this mess lead to Wilfred Voynich the forger of it.  This MS-408 design 1908-1911.  The tongue of the Voynich is incomprehensible only with rare Latin words true.  Some of the tongue words weave a little Latin into them and there is metaphors with them too.

(26-04-2026, 08:55 PM)oeesordy Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Yes in the past due to my obsession I have been all over the map with the Voynich Manuscript.  The manuscript is complex.  If you take your time and read every post in this thread of mine you will see that it Wilfred Voynich used 11th and 15th century deception to weave his story.  He went to a library to do this.  There are several star charts I have explained through out this thread which have a deep connection with my cipher and the imagery.  They show the nature of You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. that Wilfred employed; they were viral in 1907-9 MS-408.  Yes my past is filled with misinterpretation, however that does not take away from this post, any of those books are out of publishing. I admit I have been fooled by the forger many times but not now.

Okay, I took my time and read your posts. 

You replied twice to me, but not to my point that the carbon dating of the parchment categorically refutes that the author of the VMS wrote about a supernova in 1005AD at the time like you claimed You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. and You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. and You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. and You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. and You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.. If you have since changed that part of your theory, then this thread has also been filled with misinterpretation.

Furthermore, your post You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. about supposed V, M, and supposed "Wilfred" and "Wojnicz" are worrying, as neither are there. You also gave an equation for the circumference of a circle, for what I assume is for no reason? Just fyi, circles and semi circles used in diagrams aren't exactly rare since, well, forever. In almost every culture, western european, eastern european, Asian, Islamic, African, Semitic or otherwise. But Voynich "loves semi circles". Okay.

Also, the whole underpinning of your theory and its interpretations are based on a system of 1-1 substitution using a frequency chart of Latin. I note that the list includes V and U as different letters, when they used to be the same letter. What is your justification for this if the text is NOT latin? The letter frequency for speaking in tongues, even one with latin mixed in, will certainly NOT share Latin letter frequency. So, as needed, you decide which words are gibberish (tongues) and which are meaningful, depending on what you find and whether you can make it work. This is not reproducible and is entirely subjective. For example, in You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. you point to a y and state something like "look, novem is next to november!". 

Well, y is literally everywhere in the VMS. It's also next to aberil and octebre, but you don't use those examples as they are not convenient. 
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I also somehow missed your link to the Harry Potter subreddit, which you seem to be taking as evidence of parseltongue/VMS language to have a dark secret?? You do understand what parceltongue is, right? Are you aware of what it is?

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(26-04-2026, 08:55 PM)oeesordy Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Yes in the past due to my obsession I have been all over the map with the Voynich Manuscript.  The manuscript is complex.  If you take your time and read every post in this thread of mine you will see that it Wilfred Voynich used 11th and 15th century deception to weave his story.  He went to a library to do this.  There are several star charts I have explained through out this thread which have a deep connection with my cipher and the imagery.  They show the nature of You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. that Wilfred employed; they were viral in 1907-9 MS-408.  Yes my past is filled with misinterpretation, however that does not take away from this post, any of those books are out of publishing. I admit I have been fooled by the forger many times but not now.

Okay, I took my time and read your posts. 

You replied twice to me, but not to my point that the carbon dating of the parchment categorically refutes that the author of the VMS wrote about a supernova in 1005AD at the time like you claimed You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. and You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. and You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. and You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. and You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.. If you have since changed that part of your theory, then this thread has also been filled with misinterpretation.

Furthermore, your post You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. about supposed V, M, and supposed "Wilfred" and "Wojnicz" are worrying, as neither are there. You also gave an equation for the circumference of a circle, for what I assume is for no reason? Just fyi, circles and semi circles used in diagrams aren't exactly rare since, well, forever. In almost every culture, western european, eastern european, Asian, Islamic, African, Semitic or otherwise. But Voynich "loves semi circles". Okay.

Also, the whole underpinning of your theory and its interpretations are based on a system of 1-1 substitution using a frequency chart of Latin. I note that the list includes V and U as different letters, when they used to be the same letter. What is your justification for this if the text is NOT latin? The letter frequency for speaking in tongues, even one with latin mixed in, will certainly NOT share Latin letter frequency. So, as needed, you decide which words are gibberish (tongues) and which are meaningful, depending on what you find and whether you can make it work. This is not reproducible and is entirely subjective. For example, in You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. you point to a y and state something like "look, novem is next to november!". 

Well, y is literally everywhere in the VMS. It's also next to aberil and octebre, but you don't use those examples as they are not convenient. 


I also somehow missed your link to the Harry Potter subreddit, which you seem to be taking as evidence of parseltongue/VMS language to have a dark secret?? You do understand what parceltongue is, right? Are you aware of what it is?

You just totally avoid the star charts wow.

(27-04-2026, 09:07 PM)oeesordy Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.You just totally avoid the star charts wow.

This response says a lot. Arguably it says more than anything else you've said so far.